Sunak telling Robin White that biological sex is important live on GB news

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'Particularly when it comes to questions around women's safety and health, biological sex is important.' Parents need to be involved in schools.

Rishi Sunak is asked 'why should LGBT people vote Conservative?'
GB News forum footage here:
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

Much as you might dislike it, it is none of your beeswax how other parents handle their child's gender identity.

On the contrary, there's a number of schools where children have been transitioned without parental consent and knowledge - many parents have posted on here about it.
Apologies for the Guardian link but (towards the end of the article) you'll see some teachers complaining about being forced to comply with the law of the land. Only the courts can remove parental rights as Social Services and the police know. Sadly transactivists were given excessive uncritical access to schools & now many teachers believe that gender questioning children must be "protected" from their parents, instead of following basic safeguarding practice never to keep secrets and that children at risk of abuse must be treated like all other at risk children - using safeguarding procedures. No exceptions for any group.
I'm glad if teachers are now reverse ferreting at speed and denying that this ever happened. It can't come soon enough for transactivism to be speedily eradicated from schools - the damage that's been done to vulnerable children and teenagers by them is off the scale.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/23/teachers-warn-new-gender-guidance-for-english-schools-could-put-children-at-risk

Children usually have two parents. Much as YOU might dislike it, one parent doesn't get to override another parent. That's happened in a case I am aware of. That is schools transing children.

Even the trans captured NHS has noticed what's happening in some schools and has issued advice to schools NOT to transition children in secret from parents, explaining why:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/723e61ee-58b6-11ee-9ad7-7384b2f230c5?shareToken=a7b2e9c8f8b02b0e7e2b9e7347bb598f

For posters who have missed out on the grim reality of what's happening in some schools, we've discussed it in detail on this board:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4722663-schools-socially-transitioning-children-in-secret-from-their-parents

It absolutely is a parent's business if it affects their child. And being asked to collude in a falsehood does affect the other children at school.

Yes you’re right it does

The Policy Exchange report is based on research "in which Policy Exchange sent Freedom of Information (FOI) requests to a random selection of over 300 maintained secondary schools and academies in England".

Are those posters who reject the report claiming that the researcher/s did not send FOI requests? Or that the schools did not respond to them? Or that responses were received but the schools were lying?

If one parents decision on how they handle their own child’s gender identity impacts my child’s education/school experience then it is my beeswax.

It is when a parent’s own child may be involved. And it also is when a friend asks for advice and information.

Also, are we back to feminists should not campaign for anything unless it directly impacts them?

I believe that it was rejected purely because it was a think tank who might be ‘right wing’.

We have yet to see any evidence of any posters who are warning us about think tanks that they have read the document.

Furthermore, if you seek evidence of what's happening in schools with regard to gender, it's hardly necessary to rely on 'The Tufton St mafia'; there is plethora of information out there, not least right here on MN, and much of it sourced from original government data. But there's none so blind as those who won't see.

1. I was not "seeking evidence" i was backing up a poster regarding policy exchange

2. "schools busily transing children" is a very hyperbolic generalisation that I feel is unfair to schools and teachers doing their best in tough circumstances

3. none of this is what the thread is about so I'm out.

No response to my question about the research on which the Policy Exchange report was based, I see.

Well what a surprise you always bug out when you can't defend your position.

Of course it is others parents business when their child is being forced to share toilet and changing room space with a pupil of the opposite sex just because that pupil has declared a gender identity. It is also others parents business when their children are being forced to partake in a lie and being punished it they do not do so.

You will no doubt have dismissed all the reports by parents of this happening and the impact on their children, deciding that said parents are just right wing nut jobs whose children don't deserve protecting anyway.

And again, what part of the discussion about protecting children at school is not relevant to Sunak’s answer to White?

No school has been "busy socially transitioning children"

And you know this how? Done your due diligence, have you?

If it is suspected that a child has abusive parents then social services should be involved as well as the parents.

Ideologically driven teachers don't have the right to socially transition other people's children without the parents' knowledge. The parents should always be involved when there is a safeguarding issue, with other bodies (such as social services) also involved when necessary.

1.25 minute forward on the link in the OP.

“Particularly children” - Sunak is talking about the impact ON CHILDREN!

But then... then at 2.25 he talks about "recently publishing guidance for schools about how to deal with these issues in our classrooms. Teachers, unions asked the government to do that. And you will see what I have said reflected in that guidance.”

Exactly what part of what Sunak has said is not relevant to what happens in schools.

The accusation of derailing and denial that this is relevant seems rather dishonest OR an indication that ‘due diligence’ clearly was not done. Perhaps it was because it was on GB News and perhaps it was because it was Sunak talking.

"I've already said I'll read the recommendations if you start another thread. Let's not derail this one."

So you have not read the document, let alone the recommendations. You are making vague comments about 'Tufton Street' think tanks being not to be trusted as a source of information, all while backing up a poster who rejected the document unread because it was the Policy Exchange.

You seem to making blanket statements about Policy Exchange not be 'non-partisan' while not even checking the document which include cross party endorsement.

And you have repeatedly declared it is not part of this thread when Sunak directly mentions the guidance which these recommendations seem to reflect.

You then state this is 'You are being very offensive to teachers and schools by implying this is a widespread problem with the education system in this country.' When you seem to have no evidence that it is not, just your personal feelings.

You have stated that before the government does anything else, they need to fix the funding issue. Your opinion, which seems to be based on dismissing that this is a very real and immediate issue for many parents. And that it IS happening. Enough that teachers, parents and the union asked the government to issue guidance on this issue that Sunak answered in this very video posted on the OP.

Plus you then declared that students transitioning is 'nobodies beeswax' in the dismissive statement: "Much as you might dislike it, it is none of your beeswax how other parents handle their child's gender identity."

Your posts do not seem to be all that consistent to be honest and have continued to be dismissive of the issue.

I think, having carefully studied the evidence of peoples' own posts, that words like "unbiased" and "objective" have now fallen into The Right Side Of History's Evolving Language Dictionary of redefinitions

One of the major issues with trans identities is that the rest of us (having thankfully made it to adulthood before trans became a big thing, not because we're intrinsically "cis") are expected to both

mind our own business

AND

respect trans identities by not deadnaming and by remembering and using preferred pronouns and allow all single sex spaces to become mixed sex and allow all sexed data to become mixed sex data

This is the issue that schools are trying to negotiate. A completely contradictory set of demands.

Yes.

Considering there was a post supporting a poster not reading reading past ‘non-partisan’ because that poster believed it was a lie. When the document linked and rejected had cross party endorsement.

Apparently though we are also supposed to believe that the words ‘unfounded’ and ‘prejudiced’ doesn’t apply because that bias is ‘reasoned’? Yet the supposed reason is demonstrably untrue. Meaning that it is unfounded and based on prejudice.

It is really quite confusing when language is used with personal meanings rather than commonly understood meanings.

If a left wing think tank took an office in Tufton Street, would its outputs automatically become something Adam could dismiss without reading?

It is really quite confusing when language is used with personal meanings rather than commonly understood meanings.

I know the Mythbusters have been surprising on some issues (I'll draw a veil over that) but I did like this and frequently feel this way about some people's use of language in several spheres.

During an early episode of the über-pyrotechnic television series MythBusters, Adam Savage was busted by the camera crew for misremembering his predictions of the probability of an axle being ripped out of a car, à la American Graffiti. When confronted with the unmistakable video evidence of his error, Adam sardonically rejoined: “I reject your reality and substitute my own.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/adams-maxim-and-spinozas-conjecture-mar-08/

I think that was the guilt by postcode froth about LGB Alliance having an office in Tufton Street. The neutrality with which people stated their position…

Controversial trans-exclusionary charity the LGB Alliance is renting an office in the Tufton Street nerve centre of Britain's most influential…

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/lgb-alliance-55-tufton-street-think-tanks/