GC Ultra / GC Lite?

[Catsanfan]

Hi all

I keep seeing these used on X. I'm not totally sure what they mean. Is it in a nutshell GC Ultra = Posie Parker GC Lite = people who think Debbie Haytons a decent bloke.

Or am I totally on the wrong page? So much terminology these days!

TIA

Infighting in the GC movement will fatally undermine us.
I do believe that. Feminist factions fight over pronouns/safe spaces, meanwhile men/patriarchy continue as usual

So, just a little bit of non consensual use of others for paraphilia is ok? Where is the boundary for acceptable abuse and non-acceptable abuse? Has anyone come up with that answer?

Is it when a person doesn’t know that they have contributed to the sexual arousal? Or is it when a person has been forced due to societal norms or workplace/school policy to contribute to a male person’s arousal? Is there a description of what is acceptable usage of another person who doesn’t consent?

@Helleofabore men generally speaking do have sexually intrusive thoughts, from what i have read every three minutes.

They look us up and down. If decent try and evade looking at our breasts, or our bum if they are behind us, have sexual imagery as we walk away from them.

It is a fact of male sexuality. They are predatory by nature the whole sow as many seeds as they can sort of thing.

IMO it fits in with GC beliefs about men and women as mammals.

We cannot stop how thy think or dress we can only insist that they do not assault or hurt us.

Or make them our other children.

My husband is clear in his opinion, he says all men are potential rapists, its just a matter of self control.

So you do think that a male who has stated clearly that they are an AGP and that paraphilia is stated clearly by others who are not seeking to sanitise their paraphilia, that being treated by anyone as if they are a woman is arousing or at least aids in that arousal, should be accommodated to continue to do so in public? Because men fantasize about women? So that is ok? Accommodating male arousal is ok?

Even when children treating a male with a paraphilia of being aroused by being treated as a woman is contributing to that arousal?

So there are no lines to be drawn in your opinion?

Give the man his due, DH has managed to derail us from arguing for women's rights to arguing about fucking pronouns.

And your contribution to the “infighting” that will “fatally undermine” the GC movement is to demonstrate your support for the disparaging term “GC ultra” by posting and agreeing with AD’s article painting a group of women as “intolerant” “intimidating” and “sociopathic” for objecting to the use of “she” for males involved in erotic cross dressing?

You’re right about male entitlement / the patriarchy carrying on as usual.

Telling women they are wrong for spotting Labour’s single sex/safe spaces sleight of hand and for wanting the privacy and dignity of single sex female-only provision when they are in a state of undress IS the patriarchy.

@Helleofabore i took from DH book and actually other transexual males that i have had brief encounters with, both socially and professionally that they are not in a state of sexual arousal as they go about their day. On the other hand hetrosexual men do spend an awful lot of their day fantasising about having sex with you as they talk to you if they consider you attractive. I struggle to see the difference.

Do you think he would have told you if he had? DH is trying to portray himself as harmless so he can continue to practice his fetish.

Grayson Perry was quite upfront about it.

So you believe that because they store people‘s reactions to them in their memories, that that is ok? That we should accommodate them because they will delay the fulfillment of that arousal later ?

So all male arousal needs should be met because we cannot stop them ?

And again, what about when children are involved ?

What other paraphilias should we accommodate in society?

So if a voyeur instals a hidden camera and then goes about his day, sexually unaroused, does that make it ok? He won’t be sexually aroused at the exact time the woman is being filmed. It’ll be later, when she’s no longer in that venue, when she’s safely back home nowhere near him and his boundary crossing paraphernalia. She won’t know anything about what he’s doing in private, later on, after he’s downloaded the footage. She won’t be physically anywhere near him at the time he’s sexually aroused by her image and by secretly crossing her boundaries. So is that ok?

Firstly i dont know how you have drawn the conclusion that a a AGP person stores his experiences until he goes home

some paraphilias are not harmful to others because they are only in their own head.

Obviously peodophilia, pederasity and under age sexual interest is not acceptable.

I did not say that male needs should be met by us, our very existence meets the needs of what is in their head.

We have no control over that

@LoobiJee it is rightly a crime to do what you describe.

So males with AGP don’t use the experiences of the day being treated as a female to heighten their sexual arousal?

Got it.

And is a paedophile fine hanging out in the swing park as long he defers his arousal until he gets home?

What about a voyeur? Can they spy in my changing room as long as they don't get an actual erection until later?

And people reinforcing that feeling of them being the object of their sexual desire, ie people reinforcing them being a ‘woman’ doesn’t heighten their arousal as a thinking of themselves as a woman?

So if these male people were treated only ever as male people, they would still be just as aroused as they could be. People’s reactions don’t increase their sexual arousal at all?

Is that what you are telling us?

Karensalright

Why does Debbie Hayton wear women's clothes and fake breasts if it's nothing to do with his paraphilia?

Or does he have a paraphilia that is sexual for every other man who has it, but not him?

Because males are supposed to stay out of single-sex female-only spaces / places where women and girls are in a state of undress. So putting a camera in there instead in order to invade their privacy is wrong.

Rather than installing a camera, Hayton has campaigned for Hayton’s “community” to be included in those female-only spaces.

@Helleofabore i actually don’t know wether transsexuals do or do not go home and get off on their day, or have a good old wank. I dont know if men who i encountered at work have a good wank when they go home about me. But it has no effect it is private.

The difference to be made is the internet and what if anything are men, whatever they wear, do there that proliferates the exploitation of children and women.

There seems to be some kind of disconnect about what we have been told by people one Blanchard and other male people and what we are hearing that Hayton has written. And what sissy porn has portrayed.

Either way. The question remains, do Hayton’s students have the freedom to call Hayton ‘sir’ and male pronouns?

Does Hayton use the male toilets if the gender neutral toilet option is not available?

Have we seen Hayton’s change of heart about breast size and the worth of women ?

Sorry i need to go bed, useful discussion so okay if I pick it up tomorrow lots to think about bless you all

So you don’t know and don’t think that any steps should be taken to ensure women and children are at least protected from participating in a male person’s fantasy when it is has been said by others who have the paraphilia that being treated as a woman reinforces their fantasy.

Good to know.

Honestly, it sounds more like this book comes with a plea to not bother removing safeguarding because bad stuff is going to happen anyway.

Hang on, has Janice Turner opined that it's extremist to say "he" is the correct English personal pronoun for a male? Good grief 🤣🤣

And people should be free to wear their dog play fetish outfits in public. And their ‘little’ fetish oufits.

Because they are not having sex right at that time. It is all good.