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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie has launched her new party!

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HirplesWithHaggis · 08/02/2024 18:00

Party of Women, a registered political party.

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IClaudine · 09/02/2024 18:42

I agree it will be an interesting encounter!

IClaudine · 09/02/2024 18:43

Is she definitely standing in Starmer's constituency?

SinnerBoy · 09/02/2024 18:43

If Sir Cowardy Cowardy Custard, whose pants are full of mustard has the gumption to have a discussion with her, of course.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2024 18:46

SinnerBoy · 09/02/2024 18:43

If Sir Cowardy Cowardy Custard, whose pants are full of mustard has the gumption to have a discussion with her, of course.

Damned if he does damned if he doesn't.

SinnerBoy · 09/02/2024 19:05

Excellent! ^Mwou hah hah haah!

JanesLittleGirl · 09/02/2024 19:28

Do the 'Big Beasts' actually do hustings these days or are they far too busy with appearances on TV or doing set-piece visits to critical constituencies etc?

Crankywiddershins · 09/02/2024 21:25

SinnerBoy · 09/02/2024 18:32

IClaudine · Today 18:19

It won't happen and you are wasting your money. The leaders of the five main parties (Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, SNP, Plaid) don't do televised debates with the leaders of micro parties.

Well, you see, there's this thing called the hustings. And if he refused to answer her, he'd catch Hell in the press.

Claude doesn't seem to know much about the British political system.

SwordToFlamethrower · 09/02/2024 21:26

Is there any way we can check who is standing to make sure we have someone to vote for locally?

BIossomtoes · 09/02/2024 21:31

JanesLittleGirl · 09/02/2024 19:28

Do the 'Big Beasts' actually do hustings these days or are they far too busy with appearances on TV or doing set-piece visits to critical constituencies etc?

I thought hustings was a thing of the past. It’s decades since it was held here.

NoWordForFluffy · 09/02/2024 22:12

We had hustings last GE.

IClaudine · 09/02/2024 22:16

Crankywiddershins · 09/02/2024 21:25

Claude doesn't seem to know much about the British political system.

IClaudine to you. What are you trying to imply?

IClaudine · 09/02/2024 22:18

Anyone who thinks there is going to be some dramatic head to head between KJK and Starmer is going to be very disappointed.

IClaudine · 09/02/2024 22:31

SinnerBoy · 09/02/2024 18:43

If Sir Cowardy Cowardy Custard, whose pants are full of mustard has the gumption to have a discussion with her, of course.

Why would he want to? She is a nobody in the political world.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2024 22:37

IClaudine · 09/02/2024 22:31

Why would he want to? She is a nobody in the political world.

Why would he want to?

Well that's an interesting question.

He wouldn't want to because she will expose the fact that he hasn't got a pro-woman position at all, despite all of the clever posturing he has done.

She might be a nobody in the true sense of the political world but she is fierce and has a public profile.

My question is why would he want to avoid her if he isn't hiding something? You seem quite keen that he doesn't face her questions, why is that?

HPFA · 09/02/2024 22:40

I've attended hustings.

You can have a general one, or ones devoted to particular issues such as the economy, education, NHS etc.

There's an example here from 2015 when Starmer was first elected - it's on housing.

https://fitzrovianews.com/2015/03/15/tenants-group-to-hold-holborn-st-pancras-hustings-for-general-election-2015/

The difficulty for one issue candidates is that obviously 90% of the questions are not going to be about the issue you're campaigning on. So do you try and twist everything around to your own issue - which the audience is going to find irritating after a while - or do you try and give answers on topics which you don't really know anything about.

Also remember that the hustings will have ALL the candidates attending with their own desire for the limelight. I imagine there'll be someone standing on a pro-Palestinian platform, for instance.

So I'm not really sure why people think there'll be any sort of head-to-head debate between Starmer and KJK even if he does attend a hustings - the format doesn't really allow it. Of course people can go and demonstrate when he's campaigning but that's not really the same thing.

Tenants group to hold Holborn & St Pancras hustings for General Election 2015 - Fitzrovia News

A tenants campaign group is holding a political hustings to find out what the candidates for the Holborn & St Pancras parliamentary seat have to say about housing in the constituency ahead of the general election on 7 May 2015. Camden Federation of Pri...

https://fitzrovianews.com/2015/03/15/tenants-group-to-hold-holborn-st-pancras-hustings-for-general-election-2015

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2024 22:44

HPFA · 09/02/2024 22:40

I've attended hustings.

You can have a general one, or ones devoted to particular issues such as the economy, education, NHS etc.

There's an example here from 2015 when Starmer was first elected - it's on housing.

https://fitzrovianews.com/2015/03/15/tenants-group-to-hold-holborn-st-pancras-hustings-for-general-election-2015/

The difficulty for one issue candidates is that obviously 90% of the questions are not going to be about the issue you're campaigning on. So do you try and twist everything around to your own issue - which the audience is going to find irritating after a while - or do you try and give answers on topics which you don't really know anything about.

Also remember that the hustings will have ALL the candidates attending with their own desire for the limelight. I imagine there'll be someone standing on a pro-Palestinian platform, for instance.

So I'm not really sure why people think there'll be any sort of head-to-head debate between Starmer and KJK even if he does attend a hustings - the format doesn't really allow it. Of course people can go and demonstrate when he's campaigning but that's not really the same thing.

KJK has a media presence. Her media presence is international because of the international 'Let Women Speak' Campaign.

She is known to the large/ national media outlets.

She isn't a 'flybynight' local issue campaigner. Her campaign is global.

I really think some factions of Labour Supporters are wishful thinking if they believe that she won't be noticed if she stands against Starmer in a GE.

HPFA · 09/02/2024 22:55

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2024 22:44

KJK has a media presence. Her media presence is international because of the international 'Let Women Speak' Campaign.

She is known to the large/ national media outlets.

She isn't a 'flybynight' local issue campaigner. Her campaign is global.

I really think some factions of Labour Supporters are wishful thinking if they believe that she won't be noticed if she stands against Starmer in a GE.

I didn't say she wouldn't be noticed - I daresay she can organise some demos where he's campaigning, as will other groups around issues such as Gaza.

I just don't see where the idea that there'll be some kind of "debate" is coming from because I can't see the format where that will happen.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2024 22:59

HPFA · 09/02/2024 22:55

I didn't say she wouldn't be noticed - I daresay she can organise some demos where he's campaigning, as will other groups around issues such as Gaza.

I just don't see where the idea that there'll be some kind of "debate" is coming from because I can't see the format where that will happen.

So what do you think will happen?

Do you think the Media will notice her standing on the women's issue and ignore it completely?

Do you think Starmer will say to the press, well there's this woman standing who has questions and I'm not interested in answering them?

Do you think that that will reflect well on him?

You might be right that a 'debate' in the traditional sense of the word might not happen. But it doesn't have to be a traditional debate. What we want is answers to questions.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2024 23:01

And for goodness sake Women form 51% of the population of the country that Starmer wants to govern.

Shame on him if he won't have the decency to answer reasonable questions.

LWSnow · 09/02/2024 23:19

She'll also be able to put out political advertising, for which she'll need donations to her party funds

LWSnow · 09/02/2024 23:21

I'd love it if she puts an ad in the Guardian

SoupDragonsFriend · 09/02/2024 23:48

SwordToFlamethrower · 09/02/2024 21:26

Is there any way we can check who is standing to make sure we have someone to vote for locally?

I’d found this article recently and posted about it here
because I wondered if anyone had heard any more about it. I didn't get any replies and still can’t find any more info but, if it happens, it looks as if it might be a very useful resource.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/23/mps-believe-women-penis-named-trans-election-sharron-davies/
I’ve also found this list on Wikipedia. I don’t know how accurate it is, or how often it is being updated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidates_in_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 10/02/2024 00:07

Underthinker · 09/02/2024 12:52

Losing a deposit is just a part of life for smaller political parties in our system.

According to google, at the last GE, the Greens were the biggest deposit losers, failing to get the required 5% in 465 constituencies.

So detractors will try to claim that any deposit loss would be some kind of massive failure or humiliation, whereas just like the Green party, the real victory will be bringing an issue to a wider audience and pushing it up the political agenda (which arguably the greens have done very well over the last few decades with the environment).

Yes if I stood in this or future elections I would be doing it as an act of solidarity and I'd assume I wasn't going to win and that causing as much of a positive ruckus to get as much attention as possible to the cause was a goal in and of itself.

I think that's the mindset to go into this with. Winning is icing on the cake but very unlikely. Bringing an alternative world view to the captured masses is an excellent end goal and that's why she'll need as many women to stand in as many constituencies as they can.

Also with my day-job hat on, lots of lost deposits are the price of market research to work out where the GC voters are.

Also I think they should add adequate maternity care to the agenda. Women being forced to give birth in waiting rooms or mixed wards (as per another recent thread) with no monitoring or proper care is a fucking abominable joke and I know a lot of women this has affected. Women's mental health care also needs looking at in a big way. The amount of rapes in mental health settings is actually Kafkaesque. "We're putting you here to get better... by traumatising you and potentially forcing you to get pregnant by your "caregivers"". And better police vetting and training to filter out the sick fuck types and take rape reporting seriously in general.

Based · 10/02/2024 00:09

bananabug · 08/02/2024 22:04

Do you think it may just split some voters that would have voted conservative and will just give Labour a stronger chance of winning?

The political campaigning could help highlight the cause more though.

I am not sure GC voters are all Conservatives.

I find them across the political spectrum, all holding their noses at the ballot box.

Based · 10/02/2024 00:23

pieceofpasta · 09/02/2024 14:33

I agree. She needs help with the logo

The party probably needs help with a lot of things. That’s just in the nature of setting up a party.

its members, once the party has some, can develop policies, manifestos, logos etc.

She doesn’t need the help. Her party does.