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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie has launched her new party!

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HirplesWithHaggis · 08/02/2024 18:00

Party of Women, a registered political party.

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LWSnow · 10/02/2024 14:17

@AdamRyan you are saying rape is a non violent crime!!
I Think the women on here disagree

NoWordForFluffy · 10/02/2024 14:22

AdamRyan · 10/02/2024 14:13

Polling!

In 2020 50% of voters thought trans people should use facilities according to their gender but opposed making it easier to transition

A recent YouGov poll for PinkNews showed that by 50% to 27% Britons believe that people should be allowed to self-identify as a gender different to the one they were assigned at birth. While still a commanding lead, this figure is a slight decline since 2019

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/30906-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

54% of people think a trans woman who has had "full sex reassignment surgery" should be housed in womens prison for non violent crime, 38% think that even when the crime is rape or sexual assault.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/45113-should-transgender-women-offenders-be-sent-mens-or

This says to me people support trans people to be treated in their acquired gender, if they have got a GRC. Which also is the position of both the Conservatives and Labour.

This board does not represent mainstream public opinion, it reflects an extreme view. A lot of people deliberately avoid the debate because its controversial. Therefore I doubt KJK is going to cut through in any meaningful way.

A YouGov poll for Pink News? 🤔

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:22

2020?

Pre Isla Bryson

It wasn’t spoken about at all at 2019 GE

It’s moved on since then. As Nicola Sturgeon found out

And it will keep heading in same direction as males challenge more

Plus only fools will be those who tie themselves up in non truths

Besides the amount of posts from @AdamRyan on no one is thinking about this, I’d say they’re following KJK closely enough and care what she’s up to

AdamRyan · 10/02/2024 14:23

Datun · 10/02/2024 13:25

lol. The only thing she has to do is ask him to define the word woman.

That's it.

It's going to be far easier than Harrop! Harrop didn't have to pretend to be representing the country. Harrop didn't have to pretend to be non-biased.

Harrop wasn't leader of the opposition, wanting to run the country, with all the millions of women in it!

One question is all it will take.

Not really datun
I really respect your clear head on this topic. But in this case you are wrong. We know what his answer is, he's given it before. He'll answer "adult human female". She then has to go for the 99.9% line, he replies about the GRC and safeguarding in that. Most of the public support the GRC process so she loses her audience at that point. The only people who will follow are the ones who know the ins and outs of the debate, who don't need convincing either way.

She has a vulnerabilities that he can focus on, which are mainly that as a single MP she won't be able to effect change anyway; and to ask if she would support Labour's policy to reduce VAWG if elected.

Datun · 10/02/2024 14:23

AdamRyan · 10/02/2024 14:16

Exactly why she's going to look like a fool if that's all she has

Haha!!

She's got reams. Reams and reams.

Prison, sport, changing facilities, toilets, children, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, the Cass report, chest feeding, mixed sex wards, homosexuality, targeting of women, arresting them, compelled speech, censorship, the police, NHS, education, PSHE.

They haven't even got the definition of the word woman!!!

AdamRyan · 10/02/2024 14:24

LWSnow · 10/02/2024 14:17

@AdamRyan you are saying rape is a non violent crime!!
I Think the women on here disagree

Try reading again or looking at the chart in the linked article

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/02/2024 14:26

mumda · 09/02/2024 06:12

As well as general elections (for which there is a cost to stand) is she hoping people will stand at local council level? Parish councils are occasionally easy as no one stands for them.
It'd make sense to stand in a very few key seats for maximising publicity at general election.

Yay!

I'm already on our parish PCC - what else can I do? Other than mouth off against the church's standard TW = W sh!te. Is it yet possible to become a member of the Women's Party (I resigned from the Labour Party years ago).

AdamRyan · 10/02/2024 14:26

HPFA · 10/02/2024 13:28

I think certain people are missing the point. It doesn't matter if she wins the seat or loses her deposit. It's about being seen. Its about being heard. And I'm guessing being allowed to put up posters and billboards with a certain dictionary definition. It's noise.

I don't think anyone's saying she shouldn't stand - in a democracy of course anyone should be allowed to stand as an MP. I just think there's a lot of naivety about how much impact an independent can have.

Even if there was to be a hustings, in the 2019 election for Boris Johnson's constituency there were thirteen independent candidates for his seat as well as the Con/Labour/LibDem/Green. I wouldn't be surprised if Holborn is similar assuming the polls are still where they are now. So how exactly do you see some sort of "debate" taking place?

I imagine she'll get a shot on GB News and something like the JHB show but other than that where does anyone see the TV appearances coming from?

As to likely voting numbers she's aiming at people who feel very strongly about the issue but excluding those who don't like her general politics and tactics. It's a small pond to be fishing in.

Great post- exactly

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/02/2024 14:26

She'll ask him whether he still believes that it shouldn't be said that only women have a cervix? And he'll bluster and flail and try to avoid answering and look just as he looks every time he speaks about this belief of his. Shifty and dishonest.

Labour have dug themselves into this mess and to date, have neither the integrity or concern for child safeguarding and women's rights to dig themselves out of it.

Which is a shame.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:27

This is brilliant

No one cares.. 😂

These threads will run and run. She hasn’t even launched a new site yet and started properly

Datun · 10/02/2024 14:28

AdamRyan · 10/02/2024 14:23

Not really datun
I really respect your clear head on this topic. But in this case you are wrong. We know what his answer is, he's given it before. He'll answer "adult human female". She then has to go for the 99.9% line, he replies about the GRC and safeguarding in that. Most of the public support the GRC process so she loses her audience at that point. The only people who will follow are the ones who know the ins and outs of the debate, who don't need convincing either way.

She has a vulnerabilities that he can focus on, which are mainly that as a single MP she won't be able to effect change anyway; and to ask if she would support Labour's policy to reduce VAWG if elected.

Good Lord. She can start with a GRC if she wants to. There is no safeguarding, he's actually going to make it easier to get one.

She can start with examples.

She can start with an example of a sex offender who's got a GRC.

She can ask him to define homosexuality.

The dreadful repercussions of transgender ideology are bottomless.

It doesn't end Adam.

Datun · 10/02/2024 14:32

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:27

This is brilliant

No one cares.. 😂

These threads will run and run. She hasn’t even launched a new site yet and started properly

I know, right.

I really, really hope that some of his advisers come on here trying to find out what might be the questions that are coming.

I want them to see, unhindered, the depth of this issue and how he will never, ever be able to form a coherent argument.

We haven't seen one yet, I highly doubt that someone who doesn't really understand the issues, is going to suddenly have one at his fingertips.

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/02/2024 14:38

AdamRyan · 10/02/2024 14:16

Exactly why she's going to look like a fool if that's all she has

Methinks you doth protest to much.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:39

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/02/2024 14:38

Methinks you doth protest to much.

Same.

Cookiedefender · 10/02/2024 14:48

Datun · 10/02/2024 14:23

Haha!!

She's got reams. Reams and reams.

Prison, sport, changing facilities, toilets, children, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, the Cass report, chest feeding, mixed sex wards, homosexuality, targeting of women, arresting them, compelled speech, censorship, the police, NHS, education, PSHE.

They haven't even got the definition of the word woman!!!

Every single (and totally justifiable) thing you ve listed has come about during 14 years of Tory rule.

Yet you want Starmer to explain.

Its really up to the Tories to tell us why they have allowed all these awful abuses to happen in recent times.

Why do you include "homosexuality" have you something against same sex relationships?

NoWordForFluffy · 10/02/2024 14:48

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:39

Same.

Thirded.

God forbid there's ☀️ ☀️ ☀️☀️☀️

BackToLurk · 10/02/2024 14:49

AdamRyan · 10/02/2024 14:13

Polling!

In 2020 50% of voters thought trans people should use facilities according to their gender but opposed making it easier to transition

A recent YouGov poll for PinkNews showed that by 50% to 27% Britons believe that people should be allowed to self-identify as a gender different to the one they were assigned at birth. While still a commanding lead, this figure is a slight decline since 2019

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/30906-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

54% of people think a trans woman who has had "full sex reassignment surgery" should be housed in womens prison for non violent crime, 38% think that even when the crime is rape or sexual assault.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/45113-should-transgender-women-offenders-be-sent-mens-or

This says to me people support trans people to be treated in their acquired gender, if they have got a GRC. Which also is the position of both the Conservatives and Labour.

This board does not represent mainstream public opinion, it reflects an extreme view. A lot of people deliberately avoid the debate because its controversial. Therefore I doubt KJK is going to cut through in any meaningful way.

Polling

Public opinion has shifted the more debate there has been. Which is presumably why Stonwall at al didn't want a debate

https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1?redirectfrom=%2Ftopics%2Fsociety%2Farticles-reports%2F2022%2F07%2F20%2Fwhere-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

Where does the British public stand on transgender rights in 2022? | YouGov

There has been an erosion in support for trans rights since 2018

https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1?redirect_from=%2Ftopics%2Fsociety%2Farticles-reports%2F2022%2F07%2F20%2Fwhere-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

HPFA · 10/02/2024 14:50

This board does not represent mainstream public opinion, it reflects an extreme view. A lot of people deliberately avoid the debate because its controversial. Therefore I doubt KJK is going to cut through in any meaningful way.

That's the thing. The general public in no way reflects the strong opinions of both sides.

Some of the people I follow on Twitter who were outraged at the Sunak comments I know are also against males being in female sports. They don't see the sharp dividing lines that people on either side see.

A colleague at work deliberately acquired a Rainbow lanyard to wear at work (they're available to us but we're not pressured to wear them and most don't) so you'd think she was firmly on one side wouldn't you? Yet later we shared a laugh and an eye roll at some pronoun lunacy. That's how people are and it's hard to see how Posie "transwomen should be sacked from teaching jobs" Parker is going to rally mass support in that climate.

Yeah, Keir can sound a bit tw*tlike" in his circumlocutions. But guess what, so does half the population!

But I'm glad she's standing I'll either be proved right or wrong about her level of support but it's always good to know what the reality is.

Perfect28 · 10/02/2024 14:52

Do they have views about other things?

NoWordForFluffy · 10/02/2024 14:52

Cookiedefender · 10/02/2024 14:48

Every single (and totally justifiable) thing you ve listed has come about during 14 years of Tory rule.

Yet you want Starmer to explain.

Its really up to the Tories to tell us why they have allowed all these awful abuses to happen in recent times.

Why do you include "homosexuality" have you something against same sex relationships?

Once more for those at the back: we want Labour to explain why they don't have policies that will sort it out, and why most of the Shadow Cabinet are anti-biology.

We want to vote for Labour, but can't until they resolve their massive policy issues.

We don't want to vote Tory, and they also appear to have clicked and are now sorting it out.

Homosexuality is mentioned in relation to 'transing away the gay', the cotton ceiling and TRAs saying that same sex attraction is transphobic. If you followed this issue closely, you'd know that.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:53

Those polls always ask about ‘transgender’ issues

Even I don’t want to be asked about that. And I care about women.

Ask me about women’s rights, single sex spaces

Ask if men should be in women’s sports

Ask if a woman can have a penis

Anything but do you care about ‘trans issues’. I don’t really actually care about their issues. The men can sort those out.

NoWordForFluffy · 10/02/2024 14:56

BackToLurk · 10/02/2024 14:49

Edited

Although, this isn't about trans rights, it's about women's rights people arguing in bad faith don't want to understand this though. Though it's interesting to see the opinions of the public.

I think KJK showing it's about women, and the loss of existing rights, and not being anti-trans, will certainly help.

NoWordForFluffy · 10/02/2024 14:56

Jinx, @EasternStandard!

BackToLurk · 10/02/2024 15:01

NoWordForFluffy · 10/02/2024 14:56

Although, this isn't about trans rights, it's about women's rights people arguing in bad faith don't want to understand this though. Though it's interesting to see the opinions of the public.

I think KJK showing it's about women, and the loss of existing rights, and not being anti-trans, will certainly help.

The reason there is a debate is because two sets of 'rights' conflict. Regardless of how much TRAs might want to say "rights aren't like pie". Otherwise why is anyone mentioning the GRA, for example.

NoWordForFluffy · 10/02/2024 15:03

BackToLurk · 10/02/2024 15:01

The reason there is a debate is because two sets of 'rights' conflict. Regardless of how much TRAs might want to say "rights aren't like pie". Otherwise why is anyone mentioning the GRA, for example.

Which is why things like third spaces are suggested. And shot down by TRAs as 'transphobic'.

I tell you what though, you know you've hit a nerve when you're called transphobic! 🤣 #wateroffaducksback