Posie has launched her new party!

[HirplesWithHaggis]

Party of Women, a registered political party.

Thanks.

Harrop is an awful person. Did he not get suspended from practicing at one point?

I don't think KJK was that good either, she just kept talking over the top of him (and vice versa to be fair).

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As for Kemi Badenoch, all she is doing is shifting blame to the ECHR. The GRA is UK legislation, its got nothing to do with an International court but of course blaming the ECHR fits in with the current narrative of "we are ruled by foreigners" crap.

Clearly had something to do with it:

Gender Recognition Act 2004
Explanatory Notes

On 11th July 2002, the European Court of Human Rights delivered its judgements in the case of Goodwin v The United Kingdom and I v The United Kingdom (2002) 35 EHRR 18. The Court found that the UK had breached the Convention rights of these two transsexual people, under Articles 8 (the right to respect for private life) and 12 (the right to marry). The UK Government has a positive obligation under international law to secure the Convention rights and freedoms and must rectify these ongoing breaches.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/notes

People interviewing on R4 irritate me with their interruptions

I can’t say KJK is bad on that

But I expect pp will say she’s not great whatever. Likely just waiting for a link to say that

Although I agree with @BezMills all this interest is 😀

I think certain people are missing the point. It doesn't matter if she wins the seat or loses her deposit. It's about being seen. Its about being heard. And I'm guessing being allowed to put up posters and billboards with a certain dictionary definition. It's noise.

As for Labour... the whole point of an Opposition party is to hold the ruling party to account where its policies harm the country/people, and to support it when it doesn't. I don't recall Labour ever doing that at all. Blair brought in the disastrous Dentistry policy so why haven't the subsequent Labour leaders tried to get that backtracked in the following years? We all know why the Conservatives haven't, but Labour? It's their fucking job to scream and shout about it but no, they are still squealing that it's all the Tories fault.

Sometimes it feels like women who vote Conservative are kind of bullied into not pstanding up and being counted - every country in the world is in a bloody mess even in the EU why do you think it would have been better under Labour - look at Wales look at London look at Birmingham and most of the North West run by labour councils - don't vote Labour just because they aren't Conservatives - they are all a shit misogynistic shit show so maybe the Womens Party have a chance to at least kick some of them in the nuts.

I’ve never voted Conservative in my life, and never will. I once voted Labour. (That was on the basis of them putting forward the only stand out sensible policy in any manifesto.)

More people don’t vote Conservative (or Labour) than do. FPTP has a lot to answer for.

I am very much looking forward to seeing where she goes with this.

I have only ever voted Labour and latterly Green. If TPOW stand, I will vote for them, otherwise I will vote for my local Labour guy, who is a GBOL.

I think certain people are missing the point. It doesn't matter if she wins the seat or loses her deposit. It's about being seen. Its about being heard. And I'm guessing being allowed to put up posters and billboards with a certain dictionary definition. It's noise.

I'm imaging billboards similar to the Led by Donkeys ones which point out the ridiculous things Labour MPs have said about biology and countering those comments with reality / asking if people trust politicians who say that to run the country.

And if Labour don't want to look stupid / lose votes to KJK, then they know what to do! It's not anybody's responsibility to vote Labour if their message is unpalatable to the voter, it's for Labour to make themselves electable.

lol. The only thing she has to do is ask him to define the word woman.

That's it.

It's going to be far easier than Harrop! Harrop didn't have to pretend to be representing the country. Harrop didn't have to pretend to be non-biased.

Harrop wasn't leader of the opposition, wanting to run the country, with all the millions of women in it!

One question is all it will take.

I think certain people are missing the point. It doesn't matter if she wins the seat or loses her deposit. It's about being seen. Its about being heard. And I'm guessing being allowed to put up posters and billboards with a certain dictionary definition. It's noise.

I don't think anyone's saying she shouldn't stand - in a democracy of course anyone should be allowed to stand as an MP. I just think there's a lot of naivety about how much impact an independent can have.

Even if there was to be a hustings, in the 2019 election for Boris Johnson's constituency there were thirteen independent candidates for his seat as well as the Con/Labour/LibDem/Green. I wouldn't be surprised if Holborn is similar assuming the polls are still where they are now. So how exactly do you see some sort of "debate" taking place?

I imagine she'll get a shot on GB News and something like the JHB show but other than that where does anyone see the TV appearances coming from?

As to likely voting numbers she's aiming at people who feel very strongly about the issue but excluding those who don't like her general politics and tactics. It's a small pond to be fishing in.

It doesn't have to be just TV

Headlines all help

The point about that clip was that she was way ahead of him. The entire reason she put the billboard up in the first place, was so that people like him would complain. And he did.

And he had no idea that was her premise when he walked into the studio. That's why she starts grinning.

The issue here is that you don't have to be a great orator.

You just have to know what you're talking about. And she does.

It's really not hard to point out that rapists shouldn't be in women's prison, or that female sports should be ringfenced to women only, or that self confessed cross dressing fetishists should not be teaching in schools.

There's so much material. She'll have absolutely no bother.

She starts from a premise of don't lie.

It couldn't be more apt when you're talking to a politician.

God I'd forgotten how bloody annoying he is

That was five and a half years ago. She could hold her own than and she's had so much more practice since then

Just as you don't need a good memory if you always tell the truth, you don't need great rhetorical skills either.

"I'm not a vet, but I know what a dog is."
"What is a woman?" is not some abstruse philosophical question.

And to people under the impression that she's too obscure to be heard.

Much as I wish it was different, I don't think it will be her viewpoint that makes the headlines, it will be the viewpoint that she exposes in others.

What Tory paper, platform, TV programme wouldn't highlight Starmer saying some women have penises??

Or keep a clip of him, on a loop, fumbling over the definition of the word woman, umming and ahhing. Or refusing to even answer.

"I'm not going get dragged into that. It's very complicated. I will be releasing a statement in due time..."

🤣🤣

Exactly.

Deary me, there's a lot of rattled posters on this thread.
im a floating voter.
if I was in Rosie Duffields constituency I'd vote Labour
If I was in Keirs I'd vote for the party of women
And as my conservative candidate, Rebecca Paul is GC I'll be voting Tory.
its a simple as that, I'll vote for the person who represents me the most.

Thank fuck things have progressed enough that I can earn my own money and spend it without consulting a penis-haver first.

Yes exactly.

This is BRILLIANT news!

I do so hope that there is a candidate in my constituency - and if they need help campaigning, I will be there.

Yes - like the real and true crimes committed by Katie Dolatowski and others like him. And how there's nothing stopping men like him doing the same to your child, because of the ideological line taken by Starmer and others.

And how sex offenders rarely get a custodial sentence on the first attempt (Dolatowksi and Couzens both demonstrate this) no matter the harm to their victims, so sex segregation is one of the few things that we can do to keep our kids safe.

Polling!

In 2020 50% of voters thought trans people should use facilities according to their gender but opposed making it easier to transition

A recent YouGov poll for PinkNews showed that by 50% to 27% Britons believe that people should be allowed to self-identify as a gender different to the one they were assigned at birth. While still a commanding lead, this figure is a slight decline since 2019

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/30906-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

54% of people think a trans woman who has had "full sex reassignment surgery" should be housed in womens prison for non violent crime, 38% think that even when the crime is rape or sexual assault.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/45113-should-transgender-women-offenders-be-sent-mens-or

This says to me people support trans people to be treated in their acquired gender, if they have got a GRC. Which also is the position of both the Conservatives and Labour.

This board does not represent mainstream public opinion, it reflects an extreme view. A lot of people deliberately avoid the debate because its controversial. Therefore I doubt KJK is going to cut through in any meaningful way.

Exactly why she's going to look like a fool if that's all she has

Before chucking around figures and polls and shit.

Remember, 1/3rd of the population don't know that a trans woman was born male:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/third-of-britons-dont-know-trans-women-born-male/