Starmer furious that Sunak should mention his definition of ‘woman’

[HagoftheNorth]

PMQ’s today, Sunak highlighted Starmer’s famous comments that some women have a penis. Starmer was furious that Sunak should make that comment while Mrs Ghey was in the chamber. Surely Starmer should realise that it is possible to be respectful and compassionate about trans people without parroting the insane lie that transwomen are women (because ‘woman’ is sex not gender)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68229785

Yes, I agree with the quote above from @Holeinamole too.

What makes you think Brianna was extremely vulnerable?

Tg for sense

Tea leaves this stuff

This debate needs to get more respectful all round. When people who believe TWAW state that, they effectively tell people like me that I'm not a woman and they support removal of protected female spaces. So many women have been victimised by men that, inevitably, they proclaim this in front of women for whom that is really scary and triggering.But people like Starmer are not held to account and indeed despite his 'pm for everyone' statement, he's refusing to meet GC constituents. Both parties fail to cover themselves in any glory regarding how they treat vulnerable and traumatised people.

Since when was it rude to state facts? You were the one being ‘inaccurate’.

Her Mum and sister's victim statements. And her head teachers interview talking about how she met her killers.

Her Mum was really proud of her that day for going on a bus by herself. At 16 years old.

She's not a pawn in a culture war. She was a child.

Nice try. Without the GRA children would be better off

Blame those adults.

I do blame every single "gender-critical" aka transphobic adult, yes. They are all culpable. Those teenagers simply acted out the transphobia that most adults are able to keep in check in real life.

All the adults bringing in the GRA and pushing the ideology are culpable.

Apologies but I don't have time to read them at the moment. Are you saying Brianna was vulnerable for reasons other than being trans? As a group there is no evidence that trans people are particularly vulnerable. I agree that Brianna is not a pawn in a culture war and if this is being used to suggest that trans people are unusually vulnerable that would be using Brianna as a pawn.

Do you blame TRAs for all thr women murdered?

Whataboutery 🙄.

Well said.

It's painful to see the contortions going on in transphobes' heads.

I’m sure you are having issues with your headspace no doubt

But it’s nothing to do with me, it’s your problem

The GRA is a poor law and anyone using a case for their agenda is also culpable. So you included

Why doesn't the PM say that he was talking about women, and that stating a biological reality should not be offensive and therefore he won't apologise.
To be honest I think Starmer using Mrs Ghey like this is out of order, you can hear glee in his voice when he announces her being there.
As for Brianna Ghey's father's comments..least said about them the better.

If you are going to discuss her, you should read them.

"My name is Esther Ghey. I am providing this victim impact statement in relation to my daughter, Brianna Ghey. Brianna was an extremely vulnerable teenager.

As Brianna's mother I was constantly worried that she was putting herself in risky situations. She was diagnosed with ADHD [Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder] and ASD [Autism Spectrum Disorder] as a teenager; with these conditions she found it extremely difficult to identify dangerous situations....

...In order to meet her, Brianna had managed to get on a bus by herself, something that was a first and a big deal for her.

I had been concerned that Brianna wouldn't be able to get herself to college due to her anxiety and this was a big breakthrough for her. I thought that she would have a wonderful time, hanging around with her friend and getting some fresh air."

Looks like headlines have moved on to Labour u turn on green stuff

Own party on Starmer ‘scared of his own shadow’

He can be furious at that instead

Reeves' response is especially noteworthy.

Again, is today the day for this?

So, @AdamRyan, when are we - posters on a forum, rather than public figures - permitted to speak? On top of the various Holy Months of Pride etc, are we not permitted to speak on a day when Mrs Ghey has been in the media? What are the rules as you see it? Perhaps we should just keep a hushed silence at all times, just in case?

Why is being gender critical “transphobia”?

Why are gender critical views responsible for Ghey’s death? Especially when the sentencing judge made clear (IIRC) that it wasn’t the primary motivation, and in fact not a motivation at all for the girl? And the police were of the view that it wasn’t a contributory factor?

95% of this thread is missing the point that Sunak's job at PMQs isn't making cracks, appropriate or otherwise, at the LOTO.
It's answering questions from Starmer and others about his government.
He's incapable of doing that without exposing what a shower or shit it is so he uses the Johnson method of never answering a single question and trying to be funny. It's the deflection we should be pissed off about. Just do your job.

Only if one is hard of thinking oneself.......Sunak's comments were a very
poorly timed own goal ( even if the content true), though, as far as your sore head - when one is caught up in a certain political dogma or creed, and see it as the truth or as ineviatble or the only way, it can be difficult to perceive its reality as an ideological construction.

This thread is making me really sad.

No matter what your views are on the trans related issues, I would have hoped that people would still respect a parents' grief over a murdered child.

And that politicians (who in reality care nothing for the rights of women) would have the decency not to use the topic to score political points by making cheap 'jokes'.

I believe debate is important and people should be able to express their views openly but compassion, respect and dignity also needs to be present.

What Sunak did was crass and the people trying to gloss over it or trying to blame Starmer for the PM's stupidity are really not coming across well.

I think they are actually doing themselves and their cause a real disservice in this case by trying to support the PM.