Janice Turner interview with Debbie Hayton in the Times

[CaptainWarbeck]

Share token link here: Debbie Hayton: the trans woman taking on the trans activists

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/df87fe47-3dd3-4f35-ac48-81f54aeb418f?shareToken=a53b2f201cdd4c204b9009b204cb1ef3

Janice neatly runs through a history of trans issues with Debbie including a discussion of AGP. An excellent read I thought and will get a wide audience as a Saturday Times Magazine article.

Sex deniers?

That level of reading ability seems quite advanced for a 3-year-old.

Isn't the timeline dressed as a ladybird and taking tights out of bin at a very young age, but getting a thrill from the word 80 when having to recite his times tables, so that would be later?

I'm spending far too much time trying to make haytons revisionists back story make sense.

I'm spending far too much time trying to make haytons revisionists back story make sense.

Stop trying. It's just like any other pack of lies. At some point what seems like a reasonable account of events breaks down and becomes inconsistent. But even if bits of it are true, when anyone recounts what they remember from when they were very young, there are lots of gaps and things that are only half-remembered, which makes the story unreliable.

Trans identifying people always seem to think it's important to relate these anecdotes about what happened when the person was very young in order to make it seem more authentic. But the anecdotes are unlikely to be accurate.

I've seen that picture before, quite a few times. In fact, Madigan posted it themself several times. But with the back two rows left off.

(The rows where the women look like they're communicating with each other but with their hands over their mouth.)

The entire picture just looks like a room full of people experiencing boredom mixed with incredulity.

Janice Turner, in her column yesterday, reveals she was at last year's Labour party conference. It definitely sounded as if she was there as a member of the party, rather than as a journalist.

I, with a hundred or so other women, were also there - but outside at the 'Let Women Speak' rally - being abused by a screaming mob, which included trade union activists and Labour party members. Other delegates walked by, on their way to the conference hall, showing firm disapproval that women might be standing up and speaking out in such a way.

I suspect some of Janice's approach may be influenced by her commitment to Labour - as is the approach of a good few others still committed to voting Labour, or who identify themselves as socialists first and foremost.

If so, I'd like to understand in what ways and forms their approach to issues such as 'pronouns' is directly affected and how/why they perceive that the Labour party will manage/resolve the issue? I suspect that many really do believe, or have convinced themselves, that Labour really is now against Self ID and that women's single sex spaces are protected.

I suspect that many really do believe, or have convinced themselves, that Labour really is now against Self ID and that women's single sex spaces are protected.

Whereas I think that Starmer will be under pressure to show a Biden-like level of commitment and both announce and do something on the first day. Biden appointed Rachel Levine and initiated Transgender How to Undermine Women's Sports Title IX Rules at his inauguration. I expected Starmer to have comparable ambitions in a UK setting.

Yes, Janice has said she's a Labour Party member. I think I even remember her quoting her membership number once in a Twitter row with our Owen,

Yes, First day will be an announcement on the commitment to 'modernise' the GRA in favour of making it easier to get a GRC - along with vague and wooly references to how they will protect women's single sex spaces " where appropriate or necessary".

They have not even begun to discuss with how they will deal with the issue of children and gender ideology in schools.