Why is Mumsnet so GC?

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Maybe an odd question but I've never come across another space, online or otherwise, where being GC is the norm. IRL I only ever discuss GC views openly with one family member, whose stance on it is similar to my own, though, so I'm not saying it's unwelcome.... Just curious how/why it's come about. Any thoughts or theories?

the inclusion of the phrase 'proportional means of achieving a legitimate aim' was very carefully and wisely chosen.

But unfortunately appallingly badly executed - women's proportional and legitimate aims have been largely ignored. Even in the areas very specifically mentioned, rape support and sports - not merely open to males with a GRC but somehow thrown wide to anyone self identifying under the ludicrous stonewall 'trans umbrella'. Yeah, it turned out to be shit - needs sorting out to get rid of the replacement of clear, necessary sex categories by nebulous, pointless 'gender' ones.

Women's needs/rights are not seen as legitimate.

Or not seen at all.

Now come on, you know this isn't true.

Men who wear women's clothes and make up do not get asked for smear tests, or if they want to go on the pill.

Do you really think we should put men in women's prisons because they've got a good plastic surgeon?

Or allow them to scoop every single female sports trophy going, because they've had their brow bone shaved an inch or two.

And should we tell women who take testosterone and grow beards that they need prostate exams?

No, of course not. When sex matters, it matters.

Perhaps you're talking about toilets?

Seven paragraphs and three years later, and the answer's still no.

Plus, any man who genuinely passes flawlessly won't have the slightest problem with toilets.

It's not necessary to keep whining on a feminist board for three years, when self serving deceit does the entire job for him.

My DB snagged himself an Irish passport after Brexit as we have an Irish grandmother. He is an EU citizen but he isn't actually Irish.

whilst radical feminism doesn't, not because of transphobia but because what it proposes is totally the opposite to the basis of radical feminism. Women as a sex class

I found your post really interesting @IwantToRetire

Can I make a plea though for not making statements like ‘not because of transphobia’. Every time we do this we link our ideas to the reader / listener with transphobia. The TRAs are doing this actively enough without us doing this too.
Your sentence stood without this ‘radical feminism doesn’t but because what is proposed is totally the opposite to the basis of radical feminism. Women as a sex class.’

There is no need for us to constantly repeat the slurs made against us. This just, even if subconsciously, links us to these slurs. Our case stands on its own terms, in its own language. as your sentence with the slur omitted illustrates.

When we exist in public, we don't actually in practice categorise by (the massive oversimplification that comes under the heading of 'genetic') sex.

Ah but we do. And have finely honed survival skills developed that allow us to do this. We do it in person, and we do it online, without even needing to see visual clues. It's about biology, strength, aggression and male pattern behaviours of violence that are undimmed by any flavour of 'gender expression'. We see you because we need to see you because you represent a risk we need to assess and manage.

‘When we exist in public’.

The use of the word exist there is weird and indicative of how weirdly BH uses it in all the (many) statements BH makes about ‘existence’ and ‘existing’.

All this existential angst, while most of the world goes about just being male or female and getting on with life!

When we exist in public, we don't actually in practice categorise by (the massive oversimplification that comes under the heading of 'genetic') sex

This is absolute nonsense. Millennia of evolution has programmed us to spot who is a man and who is a woman instantly by sight or sound. None of us can get away from this.

Your argument is instantly destroyed by building it on the pretence that we don’t all do this.

Arguing to replace sex with sexist stereotypes, is not only harmful to men and women, but also ignores the massive database on men’s violence to women.

It is hard to imagine a more man centering proposition than your post,,without reading some Andrew Tate. You seem to think you are ignoring sex but all you are actually doing is propping up the interests of the male sex at the expense of the female sex.

Which, funnily enough, is what always happens when one ‘ignores sex’.

And why would they need to trans?

Surely we'd all be just non-differentiated amorphous blobs - a bit like amoeba, but larger, and with skeletons.

Are there some points where are in public, not existing?

Do we blink in and out of existence?

I’m sure I’ll get back some reductionist, non-sequitur, dreadfully explained and poorly understood physics theory back from BH.

We are very good at seeing people's sex. Women are better than men on average. Clothes and makeup delay the process by a few seconds. Myself and the children have started playing spot the transperson on " first dates". We always get it right.

I am thinking that writing in an overly emotive, emotional, and hyperbolic and so overly dramatic style is something that some male people consider ‘feminine’ too. Like it is them being ‘girlie’ or in touch with their feminine side.

Of course, that would just be just bollocks.

However, the hyperbole and drama that flows in some extreme trans activist posts, tweets, interviews etc seems too common to not hold some significance. Maybe it is just because the activism has fallen into this drama fueled speech pattern because it is emotionally manipulative and because they think people will simply agree to stop the drama rising. Or that people will listen and respond to that emotion with caring and giving in.

When ‘big words’ are added, It really seems like speaking to a mid-aged teenager who is still overly emotional but is also trying to speak like an adult. Either way, it doesn’t help credibility at all so I don’t know why these activists do it. I guess that is why there are so many at the protests who don’t even understand what the people they are protesting believe. All part of that drama, isn’t it?

One second you are there, the next you aren't!

Who knew!

@Helleofabore oh they have definitely read the 'women use X words per day, men use less than half that number' statistic and decided they need to use allllllll the words so they are in the women category.
Hair, heel, lipstick, wittering on - that is the essence of woman forget that exclusionary biology nonsense.

I imagine it's also a result of trying to explain the deliberately unexplainable.

When your premise is bollocks, clear, straightforward language doesn't work. That's why it's all constellations and shifting sands.

And when you're trying to justify the unjustifiable, going all round the houses and fudging is your only option.

Indeed, dipping in and out of existence there.

Got to be careful. I might just stop existing at inopportune moments.

Admittedly I am looking forward to reading 15 paragraphs of verbose nonsense about how quantum flickering means we can’t have single sex provision.

Really? Do you look forward to root canal work at the dentist too?

I didn’t want to wait so I asked copilot to do it for BH. And oh did it deliver!

Part 2. The conclusion is a masterpiece.

Beware the quantum fallacy lest we find ourselves lost in a tenderness void, clutching our bananas for dear life.

No.

But it’s probably more like gawking at a car crash than going to the dentist.

I spat my smoothie out laughing!

It is like a creative writing course meets a science thesis! I think I need to get copilot to write my posts from now on. It’d be entertaining at least.

This is the key reason why I love Mumsnet: Loads of other women who are sex realists and who are prepared to say so. Though TBH in real life generally everyone I speak to thinks like me. It's just that the language has been twisted so much that people don't realise what we're talking about. E.g most people don't realise that transwomen are men.

All whilst trying to erase the concept of sex and biology and the issues that stem from that.