Why is Mumsnet so GC?

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Maybe an odd question but I've never come across another space, online or otherwise, where being GC is the norm. IRL I only ever discuss GC views openly with one family member, whose stance on it is similar to my own, though, so I'm not saying it's unwelcome.... Just curious how/why it's come about. Any thoughts or theories?

It’s a bit like how Stan Lee invented his superheroes though. (Although it should be Butterfly Batched so no-prize)

Magic sex essence is just a reference to spunk. Obviously.

Masculinium would also fit very nicely into the Element Song but

It hasn't been discovered.

(We should lobby Harvard for the name when they find a new one!)

masculinium would undoubtedly be radioactive.

Whilst I'm up for giving BH the benefit of the doubt that BH was just attempting creativity in adding to the existing word salad, 'Masculinium' is remarkably close in wordsmithing to 'masculinism' Masculism - Wikipedia

"The terms may also refer to the men's rights movement or men's movement,[b] as well as a type of antifeminism."

Unfortunately for Butterfly, they can't even claim to be the originator of that made up term. That glory seems to go to some dude on a subreddit about beards.

And human-manufactured. It would be a synthetic material.

But BH would be there to berate us for being bigoted for not pretending it existed in nature.

A lot more of my body is made of polypeptide chains than the pre-translation nucleic acid chains that code for them

Proteins, in normal parlance? Why use a long and a short word when one short word does the job? Well, I suppose they do come up to some extent when we're discussing sport, those that form muscle.

It's the structure and function of the organs made from the proteins that matter, and some of these are crucially different between the sexes.

What gives you the impression that a person who has spent her entire life defying and dismantling gendered strictures and expectations believes that people should behave in gendered ways based on the biology they were born with?

We are all just anonymous names. We know nothing about you. We can only judge you by your arguments.

For clarity, a man is gender non conforming if he describes himself as a man even though he wears clothes associated with femininity. He is gender conforming if he describes himself as a woman because he wears clothes associated with femininity.

From what you have posted on this thread, the impression is that you are in the second category.

Proudly GC from the US. I love this site.

What could be more aligned with feminist principles than telling someone they have a magic sex essence because of their writing style?

Yeah mate if you try giving the wins of FWR some kind of biology lecture, you better know your onions. I've a BSc Hons in Anatomy after studying physiology neuroscience and pharmacology at degree level. That's a fact not a brag, there are wims here that know a fuckton more than me, and I'm regularly learning from them often subsequent to some dumb dumb attempting to Do A Science.

but maybe the magical sex essence

This seems to be a new way of framing it for TRAs, to pretend that it's biological sex which needs a metaphysical, pseudoscientific "essence", rather than their sex stereotype based "genders".

With the added advantage from the TRA position that they’ve turned any discussion of biological sex into a ridiculous way of describing ejaculate.

For all I know you are a little old lady in Ulaanbaatar who has given birth to 14 children.

However you still haven’t presented an argument to explain why women (or men for that matter) shouldn’t

1. object to being defined by gender identity
2. insist on sex based rights and protections.

The words ‘magical essence’ have often appeared on these boards when the clever women of MN have asked visitors ‘what is it that women and transwomen have in common?’ ‘What is this magical womanly essence that we all share?’ And now those same terms are being used to refer to something which is not an essence at all but a biological fact. This is really not subtle at all. 😂

But seriously, isn't this part of the answer to why mn is so GC? It's the only place where TRAs are asked to explain what they're on about. No fawning, just 'what do you actually mean by that?'. And everyone can see they've got nothing. They make less than no sense. Lots of people who've been assuming there must be something in all this, that it's backed up by some sort of medical or scientific something, suddenly realize it ain't.

Male socialisation often produces.certain behavoral patterns that are quite easy to spot. Have you ever heard of 'mansplaining? It's things like that. This isn't a scientific observation, it's a social skill - a perception that women tend to be quite adept at. Because we are often better at spotting risks and patterns of behaviour. Because we are more vulnerable when compared to males.

Quite. It’s something I have often noticed, that people are very good at attempting to turn an argument around by reframing their opponents’ points. But there has to be some logic, some grounding in truth and reality. The sexes are not defined in terms of an “essence”. They are verifiable by means of repeatable tests. Quite the opposite of genders, which are apparently entirely the choice of the person who chooses one of two binary genders, or a third “non-binary” gender, or any of a growing range of genders invented or described in recent years. None of these genders appears to be defined in a testable manner; it is absolutely a matter of self-id, and can be changed on a whim, because no-one can argue against it.

Oh is male socialisation also stored in the DNA? I thought it was stored in the balls. Silly me!

Because feminists recognise male entitlement when they see it.

Or haven't you ever listened to a feminist? Oh... that's right. I think we established that you can't hear their shrill voices.

No, it's a process that one is likely to experience if raised as a boy, influenced by sexist stereotypes. Childhood experiences can have a huge impact on our behaviour.

It is quite amazing to see, isn't it? Those first years as a male when a developing brain takes in all that stimulus and processes behavioural cues, have a life long impact. So many male people protest they can't have it, and try and deflect and distract, but the reality is, that is exactly part of the behaviour.

In fact that Y chromosome is just 100% pure "masculinium"

@AmaryllisNightAndDay - I was going to post Mr Menno and yu beat me to it! 😄

@Helleofabore I remember a TW, probably on MN, insisting that they hadn’t been socialised as male because they had of course always been female (a womanly essence had been present from birth but not discovered until later) and therefore the male socialisation hadn’t ‘worked’ on them because on some level, they always knew they weren’t really male.