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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Football fan banned over GC posts after ‘Stasi’ Premier league investigation

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Justme56 · 02/02/2024 22:43

https://freespeechunion.org/football-fan-banned-over-gender-critical-posts-after-stasi-premier-league-investigation/

There is an article about this in the Telegraph but I don’t have an archived version so have posted this from the FSU site.

This has been covered in another thread a while ago but this is an updated story covering details on how the Premier League got involved! - There is a video floating around too.

Football fan banned over gender critical posts after 'Stasi' Premier League Investigation – The Free Speech Union

In the four years since the FSU was formed, we’ve come across some pretty appalling examples of private companies punishing their employers and their customers simply for exercising their right to lawful free speech. But this is the most egregious inst...

https://freespeechunion.org/football-fan-banned-over-gender-critical-posts-after-stasi-premier-league-investigation/

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HagoftheNorth · 02/02/2024 23:07

If that’s for real, it’s awful - I sense more gardening coming on!

FriedGold32 · 02/02/2024 23:22

The Premier League made a note of where she walked her dog. This is more than sinister.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 02/02/2024 23:30

They basically stalked a woman. Why are they not facing charges?

Prawncow · 02/02/2024 23:32

So a fan being gender critical = ban
A club being owned by a man who had a journalist murdered and dismembered in Turkey = all fine

The Premier League keeping up standards as expected.

WarriorN · 03/02/2024 06:20

It's extremely sinister.

I note that they've not included the harassment by the local police she received and interview which is probably because that's a separate investigation.

All the tweets they've cited as problematic are comments that those who stand against gender ideology make daily.

It always looked like she was deliberately targeted by someone who knew far too much and this is the very sinister reason why.

WarriorN · 03/02/2024 06:25

Found the original thread:

Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4940249-lesbian-interviewed-under-caution-for-tweets

WarriorN · 03/02/2024 06:29

And been reminded that the police hand delivered a letter to her.

She's been to hell and back feeling as if she's got big brother watching her.

WarriorN · 03/02/2024 06:31

Link to original article on Twitter. Archive linked there if the one below goes poof.

x.com/rightnufc/status/1753535641336369328?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

LoobiJee · 03/02/2024 06:55

It’s utterly chilling.

Legally, it’s clearly a breach of the Equality Act and of GDPR. From a morality and common decency perspective, it’s appalling.

Presumably the monitoring of football fans started out because of football hooliganism, and was intended to prevent gangs of violent trouble makers who only come to matches as a pretext for a fight from disrupting games etc.

And now we have these commercial enterprises appointing themselves the moral arbiters of their paying customers’ political opinions or philosophical beliefs. What’s next, banning fans who are members of one religion or another?

This case tells us that there are commercial enterprises which make money from monitoring private citizens. In other words, there are companies out there offering their covert digital surveillance services to other organisations. I wonder how those organisations find out about these covert digital surveillance businesses? Is there a trade press they advertise in? Or is it some word of mouth, in the know thing, amongst security teams, IT teams or marketing teams?

From a wider perspective, if football clubs are buying their services, then the chances are that any entities with campaign goals / political goals will be doing so too.

WarriorN · 03/02/2024 07:02

The irony is that the Saudis own NUFC.

LoobiJee · 03/02/2024 07:20

I’ve now read the DT article and the surveillance report included this:

“Under a section titled “vulnerabilities”, the report noted that Ms Smith had repeatedly been a victim of online abuse, including her face having been superimposed onto an image of someone being hanged.”

After reading that, did the Premier League take any action to seek to identify whether the online abusers harassing her and in effect issuing death threats against her were football fans and to have her abusers banned? I guess no.

Beefcurtains79 · 03/02/2024 07:26

This is utterly chilling, how dare they? This needs sunlight.

Anglosaxonhelp · 03/02/2024 07:52

I would be very happy to contribute to legal fees for this one!

ArabellaScott · 03/02/2024 07:55

'One of the most shocking aspects of Linzi’s case is that when the club responded to her appeal it sent her a cache of documents that included a report that had been compiled by the Premier League’s very own intelligence unit.
It appears that, as part of the evidence against Linzi, NUFC considered a raft of personal information compiled by this unit.
What emerges from this concerning report is evidence of considerable surveillance, intended to prove that Linzi, the NUFC supporter, was the owner of the X account from which the ‘offensive’ X posts were sent.
Chillingly, the report refers to Linzi as the “target”.
Attempts were made to find out where she lived. Google images were used to assess photos on her X timeline, and identify her precise location. Photos were downloaded in which she can be seen walking her dog in a park near to where she lives. The fact that she has “ties” to nearby Whitley Bay was also noted.'

WarriorN · 03/02/2024 08:02

The wider context of what happened and how is extremely concerning.

I'm glad she's got lots of support.

Signalbox · 03/02/2024 08:04

Don’t these organisations have lawyers to advise them? I wonder if they are Stonewall Champs

Forester1 · 03/02/2024 08:06

I’ve just been reading this and came on to see if any gardening required as definitely one I would support.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/02/2024 08:10

IIRC, there was a suspicion that the original allegations against Linzi were made by an employee of NUFC. I'd like the Information Commissioner (if that's the right term) to look into whether any employees of NUFC broke the Data Protection Act trying to work out who Linzi was by using clues from her Twitter feed and matching them to data on the NUFC database.

The Premier League appears to have used the same powers and approach as they do to identify racists and far right extremists. Presumably the evidence they amass there can be handed to the police and used as the basis for a prosecution. What prosecution did they think might result from Linzi pointing out that nobody can change sex? What next, a covert investigation on Richard Dawkins, Robert Winston and J. K. Rowling?

At least Linzi's safe from being sacked. The article says she works with her mum. Phew.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/02/2024 08:11

Forgot to say that, horrific as the police investigation and interview must have been, at least she knew within a very short time that there would be no criminal charges. It should never have got to that stage, though.

WarriorN · 03/02/2024 08:18

No it really shouldnt have.

Northumbria police recently had more lgbtq training iirc 😡

WarriorN · 03/02/2024 08:21

I think there's still a few more questions to be answered around who instigated it and how things got as bad as they did.

A very peculiar Twitter account popped up floating and talking about her a lot in the autumn.