Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

[ResisterRex]

Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Adam, I'm a member of the Labour Party, despite what I currently think I still pay my dues. It is possible to support the Labour Party in Principe but be absolutely appalled at the way they are currently behaving.

You don't post like you think it’s a discussion. You post like you see it as an opportunity to scold and be rude about anyone who has a different opinion to you.

Right, I have just come in from my doorstep where I was talking to a wannabe labour councillor. She stated twaw. I had my say but was never going to change her mind in a few minutes.

Sooooo nope, not gonna vote labour.
And now they cant say "no one ever brings it up on the doorstep"

Ah, you see, the Righteous posters just know that you were always an anti-Good-Party person all along, you were never a potential Good Party voter, etc.

<catches up on thread>

<collapses in despair>

Misogyny seems to be so baked into the Labour party that its biggest advocate - the one who takes party criticism so personally that she expects to be challenged on the definition of woman - is justifying a classic act of male intimidation and aggression against women because that woman was right-wing.

Every Fucking Time we have to take threads through elementary feminist theory.

If women's right to be free from male violence is contingent on our political and religious beliefs, then it's not a right. It is explicitly conditional.

It's being implied that some men (eg, MPs, members of a party that has a tendency to self-righteousness) have the right to physically intimidate women whose views they find objectionable and unpleasant or perhaps immoral. MPs are part of the British governing class. They're there through democratic public election, after privately satisfying a political party that they held the same social and economic values, but nevertheless part of the governing class.

So men of a particular governing class, tied together by shared values, feeling entitled to discipline women for moral transgressions. Within whatever contexts might we see similar behaviour? Patriarchal religion, perhaps? Historical punishing of heretics?

It actually makes it worse that Miriam Cates is also part of the governing class, on the opposite parliamentary benches. If he feels entitled to treat her that way, how could he treat a mere female member of the public?

Winnading My local councillor was similarly intransigent when she doorstepped me.

Come off it. You cannot seriously believe that the Conservatives will do the cause of feminism any favours. They've had 14 years to sort this out, after all.

Surely you’ve noticed other countries follow this genderism and only recently has the U.K. started to turn

It probably won’t last with Labour but if you are aware you’ll see who is challenging what

I'm hardly Labour's biggest advocate

and God knows why you and others are persisting in making out I support LRMs actions when I've made it very clear I don't. It's almost like there's an agenda to see the worst...

I'm hardly Labour's biggest advocate

Really? I'd like to see who is if not you.

and God knows why you and others are persisting in making out I support LRMs actions when I've made it very clear I don't. It's almost like there's an agenda to see the worst...

You made excuses for his actions and words to justify them - he's gay, Miriam Cates is a member of a particular Church, yada, yada.

Your prejudice against Miriam Cates, or indeed any Tory, can be seen from outer space.

More like a schill for Labour to be fair!

From google:
Prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
"prejudice against people from different backgrounds"

I have reason and evidence to dislike Cates and the current crop of Conservatives. Therefore its an opinion and not prejudice.

Which bits of my posts are me calling him awful, and saying I would never vote for him are me making excuses for him? I said looking into her background I can see why a gay man would loath her. I also specifically said that's no excuse.

I was simply correcting another post that was incorrectly confusing Cates and Duffield.

That's right. The LP are paying me to fight with right wingers on FWR because they are worried about their 20 point lead in the polls 🤔

To be fair though you are coming across like you're schilling for the Labour Party.

That's right. The LP are paying me to fight with right wingers on FWR because they are worried about their 20 point lead in the polls

Oh here we fucking go again with the right wingers shit, not voting for or not trusting Labour regarding women's rights does not make someone right wing.

I mean seriously, I just googled Cates' recent pronouncements:

• wants to ban surrogacy, I agree
• thinks "no fault divorce" should be got rid of, strongly disagree. Abusive men were blocking divorces as a way to further control their wives, they can GTF
• thinks the world was a safer place when Trump was in charge. Yes, support for the confirmed sexual assaulter who boasts about grabbing women by the pussy. Not a very feminist action.

Sorry to break it to you but voting for right wing parties and policies makes you appear to be right wing.
Vocally supporting right wing politicians makes you appear to be right wing.

I wouldn't describe myself as left wing but appreciate my posts on here mean other people think I am. There are a shed load of posters on here who are very pro right wing politicians and policies - why would they be anything other than right wing? And why be ashamed of that?

I'm hardly Labour's biggest advocate
If not you, then who?

and God knows why you and others are persisting in making out I support LRMs actions when I've made it very clear I don't. It's almost like there's an agenda to see the worst...

You haven't made it very clear. Quite the reverse.

A man engaged in a classic act of male intimidation against a female colleague in his workplace, and you searched for mitigating factors. If you actually ever do want to make it "very clear" you don't support an aggressive man, refrain from implying the victim's "background" provoked him. Useful tip for you.

You seem far more interested in justifying his dislike of Cates than you are in wondering how his aggression might relate to his opposition to women having single-sex spaces. Is it because he resents women having a place to retreat to away from him?

Anyone who thinks that caring about women’s sex-based rights and children’s safety is right-wing has clearly swallowed the “MN is full of fascists” Kool-Aid. I’m pro-Labour, not anti-Labour, I’ve voted for them many times in the past and would like to vote for them again.

Sadly, Labour have been so utterly disrespectful towards women and so dismissive of their legitimate concerns and rights that I now think that me voting for them would be like a turkey voting for Christmas. Why would I vote for a party that dismisses and belittles women? A leader who fails to protect women from harassment and bullying behaviour from the likes of LRM? A leader who doesn’t even know what a woman is, when a five-year-old would quite happily be able to enlighten him?

Labour have lost my vote. They blew it. The Tories won’t get my vote either as all this madness happened on their watch and I can’t trust them an inch. So a spoiled ballot it is, or else an independent candidate with a modicum of sense. Respect my sex if you want my X; women are not lesser humans, nor are they emotional support animals.

There are a shed load of posters on here who are very pro right wing politicians and policies -

Like what? The majority of the posters on this Board are very pro women's rights, regaining them and protecting them.

KS's little soundbite: making every child "proud and confident" how's that going to work then? The children indoctrinated and compelled to go along with a lie that the boy in front of them is a girl, that's going to instil confidence is it? The girls beaten by the boys claiming to be girls in sports, that's going to make them confident isn't it? The girls from certain religions who self exclude and withdraw further from society because they cannot share with boys, that's going to make them confident isn't it?

No fault divorce also has negative effects for some women. There are very much arguments both ways and it's not at all clear what kind of formulation might give the most positive outcomes overall for women - and the devil will be in the details as with any complicated legislation.. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion that differs from hers but I am not sure how that is a slam dunk "she's awful."

Trump is an asshole, and I can't picture anyone thinking he is a feminist, but that's really pretty irrelevant to weather the world is a safer place in the sense that she meant, which was in regards to international relations and the threat of war. I doubt MC thinks Trump's personal attitude to women is a good thing.

I used to vote Labour too. I now feel politically homeless. I can't vote for a party that doesn't respect women. So many people, mostly men but some women too, are deliberately blind to the risks of self ID and allowing anyone into women's spaces. Until Labour drop self id they will not have my vote.

Sorry to break it to you but justifying male violence makes you appear to be supportive of violent men
Vocally supporting aggressive politicians makes you appear to be on their side.

Yes well said

There are a shed load of posters on here who are very pro right wing politicians and policies - why would they be anything other than right wing? On MN generally or FWR specifically? Because if you mean the latter, I think you've mistaken supporting one element of what a Tory politician is doing with being 'very pro right wing politicians and policies.' As has been said many, many, many times before on here, agreeing with and supporting a policy designed to protect women does not mean supporting the politician espousing that policy in everything they do, nor the party they represent.

I'd suggest anyone thinking the latter is either thick as two short planks or deliberately misrepresenting what they're reading for whatever reason they may have to so do.

I'll certainly keep watching but I can imagine women in the Green Party turning this around before Labour do. That might sound bizarre when they appear even more captured than Labour right now, but they're also smaller with fewer cumbersome structures and also - and I think crucially - less weighted down by their own history and mythology. That's pure guess work though and might be totally wrong.