Another win - Rev B Randall

[IcakethereforeIam]

I know he's been mentioned in previous threads but I can't find any.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/21/banning-chaplain-who-said-children-could-question-gender/

https://archive.ph/r1B4O

He's still pursuing his appeal for unfair dismissal but the DBS are not taking any action against him which has to be helpful.

Updating this thread - Rev Randall has won some costs and the right to another employment tribunal.

christianconcern.com/news/judge-overturns-unsafe-ruling-in-randall-case-due-to-bias/

Excellent!

Six years!

This quote from the article reminded me of why Welby resigned

"Following his sacking, in 2022 he was blacklisted as a safeguarding risk to children by the CofE in Derby Diocese for his sermon.

Dr Randall pursued a serious complaint of misconduct over the decision to blacklist him, but this was blocked by the then Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. (ABC) However, a senior Church legal officer for clergy discipline found that the Archbishop had ‘misunderstood the scope of his powers’, and was ‘plainly wrong’."

Well, blow me down. Senior Circuit Judge Tayler is the EJ who initially rejected Maya Forstater’s first tribunal and went on to have that judgment overturned on appeal (usefully).

Excellent news if this is an indication of learning something. However, it may be on the obvious unfairness of the open anti-Christian bias of the tribunal panel member which truly egregious.

Well, blow me down. Senior Circuit Judge Tayler is the EJ who initially rejected Maya Forstater’s first tribunal and went on to have that judgment overturned on appeal (usefully).

Exactly! Turn up for the books!

Sorry meant to quote you @StickItInTheFamilyAlbum

However, it may be on the obvious unfairness of the open anti-Christian bias of the tribunal panel member which truly egregious.

She's also been accused of the same in the newer case of a Nottingham teacher who refused to socially transition a child, she had to recuse herself.

Blow me down again now I have fully recalled that Randall’s case involves the now defunct Educate and Celebrate. Several threads in February 2024 about this.

Jordan Gray was a patron. The currently going through court proceedings (but there are threads) Stephen Ireland was involved as well.

I have just been reading up on this case. Educate and celebrate who Dr Bernard raised concerns about and are now closed down had patrons including Stephen Ireland who is accused of 30 crimes including child rape and Peter tatchell who supports paedophilia. They got huge grants from the taxpayer. The original judge and a magistrate had to recuse themselves as had previously supported E&C. The church of england has still not given back Dr Bernard's licence but mean while Welby has resigned as he himself failed at safeguarding. I sometimes feel I'm in a parallel universe where right is now wrong.

The descriptions of Educate and Celebrate in the Christian Concern link don't pull any punches:

"Educate and Celebrate child sex charges
Furthermore, Dr Randall has been vindicated over why he gave the sermon in the first place.
In 2018 Trent College invited Educate and Celebrate (E&C), an extreme gender identity group who promote Queer Theory, into the school where he was employed as chaplain.
Revelations and scandals about E&C, which was closed quietly by the Charity Commission in 2024, continue to highlight the deep injustice at the heart of Dr Randall’s case.
In August 2024, for example, a patron of E&C, Stephen Ireland, was charged with multiple accounts of sex abuse against childrenen*, including rape and conspiracy to kidnap.
E&C was also forced to remove another leading patron, transgender comic, Jordan Grey, for stripping naked on Channel Four and playing the piano with his genitalia.
Gray had suggested that he went into schools to “talk about gender” on behalf of E&C, adding that “toddlers kind of get it straight awayway*.”^
In the ruling that has now been set aside, Employment Judge Butler wrongly asserted several times that: “E&C is an Ofsted and DfE recognised best practice programme.”
Furthermore, Judge Butler said in her judgment, that: “[Dr Randall] takes an extreme view of E&C which bears no resemblance to the reality of its purpose and implementation, which was aimed simply at creating an inclusive environment for all. We saw and heard no evidence that came anywhere close to supporting [Dr Randall’s] view that E&C would indoctrinate pupils in such a way.”
We now wait for a new date for this evidence to be considered by a newly constituted tribunal."

Just as an aside, the Stephen Ireland case is still being heard at Guildford Crown Court. It's into its third week now although I don't know if it's been on every day. The BBC reports seem to have dried up.

Employment Judge Butler wrongly asserted several times that: “E&C is an Ofsted and DfE recognised best practice programme.”

This shows the importance of only relying on proven facts in the court system.
The school / CoE must have made this argument without any evidence?
It the school /CoE had looked at this claim imo management should have been in a position to question this as factual as Ofsted approval would be public information and understanding what any rating means is a core business need when managing schools.

Furthermore, Judge Butler said in her judgment, that: “[Dr Randall] takes an extreme view of E&C which bears no resemblance to the reality of its purpose and implementation, which was aimed simply at creating an inclusive environment for all. We saw and heard no evidence that came anywhere close to supporting [Dr Randall’s] view that E&C would indoctrinate pupils in such a way.”

The in church teaching was in line with CoE views and seeing how parents chose to send their children to a CoE ethos school teaching the right not to agree with any of the faith teachings including trans ideology is creating an inclusive environment for the children who dont want to believe in any of the LGBT elements as well as childern who do.
Problem the school has is to teach the individual child not to be a bullying little shit to other people (turn the other cheek) and that a democratic society is based on respecting that having an opinion and abusing someone because of that opinion are different

So unless there is a whole lot of damning evidence in the school files about his concerns imo someone (and a lot of someones) had a full blown meltdown and report traditional church ideology to anti-terroism.

And any organisation which has leaders who say or ever said adults having sex with children is ok should never be allowed on school grounds or be approved to be given access to children. The Churchs have enough of their own "rapie" members to deal with without letting others in too.

Absolutely. I’m disappointed by the churches, who should be defending children and young people from ideologies that lead to self-harm.

Dr Randall was sacked and referred to Prevent, the counter-terrorism programme, the Teaching Regulation Agency (TRA) and the DBS.

The sheer ludicrous overkill. Because trying to protect children from physical and mental harm is like blowing people up? I know transactivists won’t ever get a grip, but what’s wrong with the authorities?

I can't say much, but I have some evidence that the C of E may be beginning to wake up to having been sold a very biased ideological pup. There is some recognition that the pressure to be kind has been one way only, and that some church members' perspectives have been ignored (deliberately in my opinion, because the driving ideology has been "progressive"). The damage to wives, children, parents, siblings is acknowledged by some church leaders, and possibly (I don't have any knowledge of this) the damage to trans identified people themselves. Obviously the people who have been pushing for the complete acceptance of trans identity thinking haven't given up, but other voices are beginning to be listened to.

The sheer ludicrous overkill. Because trying to protect children from physical and mental harm is like blowing people up?

Yet when Axel Rudabakana was found to have been repeatedly reported to Prevent before killing three little girls a lot of "progressive" types were all over the internet, including here, saying "don't be stupid, that's not what Prevent is forrrrr"

It is hard to grasp the scale of capture for sectors like justice, healthcare and education. The Voluntary sector. All the arms length bodies with which we interact. National and local governments and their elected and appointed officials and staff.

And then we consider media in all its forms.

It’s daunting.

'Employment Judge Butler '

Fucksake, Judith, stick to giving incomprehensible lectures to easily bamboozled undergrads.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 17:11

Updating this thread - Rev Randall has won some costs and the right to another employment tribunal.

Thanks for the update, it certainly gives grounds for optimism. All of these cases help, brick by slow little brick.

@ArabellaScott

It is going to be a long, slow, uphill road, I fear.
There is still a whole tranche of people who have no real idea about any of this shit-show and the impact it has had on, particularly, women and children, who still trot out absolute nonsense because they heard it from an apparently authoritative source and haven't thought it through or checked it out.

And then, of course, you have the people who do know really, but who take one look at what happens to people like Rev Randall and keep their gobs shut.

Following all the correct safeguarding procedures and backed by expert evidence, Hannah raised safeguarding concerns which were repeatedly ignored by school bosses, governors and the local authority.
Faced with no option but to pursue a judicial review of the school and council’s refusal to properly act on her concerns, Hannah was dismissed for accessing and divulging with her lawyers, information which the school argued was confidential.

I do hope that this case has a finding that Hannah as an employee has a legal right to seek external legal council when concerned about her legal rights and obligations.

Its not as if the legal team are not bound to it confidential too and that falls within the whistleblowing legislation too?