Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

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Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

Thanks for the full quote.

I stand by the rest though. The women are just props.

MW should never have been given the job in the first place IMO. ERCC would be in a better place without ideologues within the organisation (MW and others)

stand by the rest though. The women are just props.

As @Hedgehogdetective, a woman here who has experienced MW's disinterest and phone scrolling during one of these "counselling sessions" made clear.

@Hedgehogdetective, were you made aware that MW had no counselling qualifications?

Hedgehog - If you can bear it talking about it (please don't if you can't), was MW presented to you (so to speak) as a peer worker or a therapeutic counsellor?

I find this area quite difficult as I think people would be surprised to learn how few of the healthcare workers involved in Talking Therapies have qualifications that most people would consider appropriate.

PS: xd with Bore

The TRAs (or progressives as they like to call themselves) have a pillar of 'empathy' at their core, but cannot be empathetic to people who are on the other side. Therefore they are not empathetic people in reality, but merely use empathy as a tool for calling other people horrible names. Of course, when you call them horrible names you are actually using 'hate speech'.

This whole gender ideology is riddled with nonsense and hypocrisy.

And ERCC claim that they don't refer to Beira's Place because it's unregulated, while they allow rank amateurs to mess with women's minds.

MW out. Now. New broom sweeping clean from attic to cellar, please. Again - now.

Regarding “counselling” , I have come across the none qualified “support staff” doing this in agencies i have worked for more than once, in the past. Clearly it is still bloody well going on.

Blood boiling.

It so not difficult to set up a qualified counselling services within a support agency. There are more qualified counsellors than there is jobs, and counsellors are required to practice so many hours a year to maintain their registration. got funding for a qualified supervisor, advertised for volunteer counsellors and had a team of 15, for a counselling service.

I was very clear with support staff that it was their job to support survivors with practicalities, life management advice, all that sort of stuff.

There is just no excuse for this especially in an agency with such a solid financial base.

ERCC are a bunch of SELF SERVING DANGEROUS MORONS

every last one of them who remains there, just despicable.

Normative and oppressive being useful ways to avoid important questions like 'why is someone trained in English Lit and hotel management qualified to run this service for women survivors?'

It's like the people sent in as trainers to schools, with radical impact on policies and safeguarding, who had no training of any kind in the nine protected characteristics, equality law, and hadn't even done the basic safeguarding course a lunchtime supervisor would have been sent on. In one case, an inquiry discovered that the person who had been advising 'was not capable of understanding safeguarding' after they tried for some time to discuss the issue with them.

I could be deeply cynical and suggest that a woman-focused, knowledgeable and experienced counsellor would rock the gravy train.

Is it usual for the CEO of a charity to be so directly involved with providing the service to users? The charity I was trustee for, the CEO was much more of a managerial and oversight role. She was very professional and looked at what was good for the charity as a whole in the long run as well as day to day management, very involved in the service but a step removed from the users. She had to deal with complaints and settle differences, so if she'd also been one of the people directly delivering the service that could have been a potential conflict of roles or a blurred boundary.

What time is it starting tomorrow?

Quote sound bites not knowing what they mean, just stated for effect.

This is one of the biggest lessons of the decade really: that someone may know all the lines, make all the right noises, and write all the right tags and phrases into the bids. Online makes it easy, you can learn and line up the buzzphrases.

And none of translates into real action, real feelings or values or intentions, real good practice. Or good faith.

We've had the one with the doctorate in 'you don't need to know what you're talking about, just bullshit convincingly with the right window dressing and you'll fool them'. The next stage for society is 'anyone can talk the talk, and often it does not mean you should believe them'.

We are going to have to get very much more cynical.

10am tomorrow I think @Chrysanthemum5

Evening all. Quite unexpectedly I have a few days off this week and am thinking of attending. Does anyone know if it’s busy, will I get in do you think? I know I can watch it online.

@AmaryllisNightAndDay No, not at all usual. Although I think that interview is from when MW was at Forth Valley rather than ERCC so whether MW still has a small caseload at ERCC, who knows? In some places the Deputy or Ops Manager might have a small caseload, in part to ensure they stay up to date, maintain any registrations, as well as to provide cover, or take complex cases, but not generally the CEO.

Thanks @LipbalmOrKnickers

All I know is It's apparently a really small room they are using with very little space. When you email to apply for the access they do ask if you want to attend in person or via video.

No

When MW “counselled” me they were manager at FV rape crisis. I assumed they were qualified to counsel me based on their position ie they must’ve worked their way up and/or had experience counselling service users from their previous role at Shakti. I don’t want to say too much as it’ll make it obvious who I am

Sorry for the multiple replies but I remembered that there was an interview MW did where they said they like to work with survivors when they’re a manager to keep them still in the loop or something, like still working on the ground level. I’ll try to find it

It’s worse than I remembered…

https://x.com/dearrebelada/status/1749155639442526463?s=46

That post’s been clarified a bit up thread - see CriticalCondition’s post at 17:13 yesterday.

”Well I don’t deal with individual survivors every day, so for me what I do in terms of self-care is a lot of avoidance. I do see survivors – four a week usually – who help me stay connected to the cause…but it’s important to keep it fun. We should be able to laugh and use humour at work. In terms of my team, I try to cook for them once a week or every other week.”

Which means that he’s at least not describing seeing survivors as fun, but doesn’t make any of the rest of it any better.