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Communication on new building - room available for 'chest feeding'

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Sizzlysausage · 18/01/2024 10:01

I got an email today about our new building (I work at a university). This explained space had been put aside in the new building for 'breast and chest feeding.' I find this so ridiculous I just need somewhere to vent (don't dare do so to any of my colleagues)!

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NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2024 09:24

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:11

If a woman chose to refer to her own breastfeeding as "pectoral feeding" I would find it weird but I wouldn't get angry or think she should stop calling it that. Why would it be any of my business? You say you want to "police truth and accuracy" but you want to police it through language.

I wouldn’t care that much if a woman described it about herself. I’d think she would need serious help of course.

But I would care if someone wanted to put “pectoral feeding” on an official sign. Why should chest feeding be on an official sign and not pectoral feeding, by your rules?

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:25

PonyPatter44 · 21/01/2024 09:19

I suppose the question really is, why do YOU want to police language? The actual breastfeeding people have told you they find that particular term offensive, but you are policing their opinions and feelings by telling them they have to tolerate the offensive words just in case one imaginary person may possibly be offended.

'Baby-feeding room' would be better. It puts the needs of the child first.

Seeing a word on a door and accepting its presence is not the same as using the word yourself. I never said anyone needs to use the word "chestfeeding". I said that the word being there, for the benefit of people who do use that word, is fine.

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:28

NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2024 09:24

I wouldn’t care that much if a woman described it about herself. I’d think she would need serious help of course.

But I would care if someone wanted to put “pectoral feeding” on an official sign. Why should chest feeding be on an official sign and not pectoral feeding, by your rules?

What if enough people used the word "pectoralfeeding" for themselves, that somebody building a breastfeeding room thought it a good idea to put that word on the door too? In that fictional universe it's a known term that some people use, so why not?
In THIS universe, it's not going on a sign because nobody uses that word. So we don't need to worry about it.

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:29

BayCityCoaster · 21/01/2024 09:23

Well, you’re taking issue with the idea that the majority have an issue with it, so…?

Yes I do take issue with it, because nobody knows if that's true or not.

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:29

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:25

Seeing a word on a door and accepting its presence is not the same as using the word yourself. I never said anyone needs to use the word "chestfeeding". I said that the word being there, for the benefit of people who do use that word, is fine.

I said that the word being there, for the benefit of people who do use that word, is fine.

And almost all the women on this thread, many of whom have breastfed, most of whom have breasts, on a site largely populated by mothers, disagree with you.

Just in case that wasn't clear.

NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2024 09:32

So in other words, trans activism in a nutshell. “We don’t need to worry about stuff that never happens!”

But logically though, why one false term over another? Why not “unicorn feeding” or “pixie dust feeding”? So your logic is it’s ok to have falsehoods on signs because enough people like the false word? So that can be applied to anything, right?

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:36

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:29

I said that the word being there, for the benefit of people who do use that word, is fine.

And almost all the women on this thread, many of whom have breastfed, most of whom have breasts, on a site largely populated by mothers, disagree with you.

Just in case that wasn't clear.

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Yes several people on the anti-trans subforum of Mumsnet disagree with me. Can we extrapolate that?

PonyPatter44 · 21/01/2024 09:38

I'm not anti-trans. I'm anti-stupidity, and pro-women. Are you?

BayCityCoaster · 21/01/2024 09:40

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:36

Yes several people on the anti-trans subforum of Mumsnet disagree with me. Can we extrapolate that?

We’re not ‘anti trans’.

I already said upthread - this is virtually the only place we’re even ALLOWED to talk another the women’s side of things.

We’re not ‘anti trans’. We’re pro women.

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ArabellaScott · 21/01/2024 09:41

The mask is slipping, Dadjoke2.

HearTheSubGoBoom · 21/01/2024 09:41

Why do you want to police language?

Why do you want to police language?

This specific example is a room at work, that is likely never to have an actual infant in it, but has been provided by the employer as it is legally obliged to, for nursing mothers to express their breast milk and store it, before taking it home to their child. It's a room with a chair, a plug, a door lock and possibly a fridge.

It probably doesn't even need a sign on the door but someone has decided to ram one up calling it a "chest feeding room" when the only accurate word to describe it in that phrase is "room."

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:43

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:36

Yes several people on the anti-trans subforum of Mumsnet disagree with me. Can we extrapolate that?

lol. Extrapolation not required.

Awkward innit, when women have opinions of their own that you cannot undermine.

NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2024 09:44

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:36

Yes several people on the anti-trans subforum of Mumsnet disagree with me. Can we extrapolate that?

Post it AIBU then, with a survey. Love to see how you go there 🍿

BayCityCoaster · 21/01/2024 09:44

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:43

lol. Extrapolation not required.

Awkward innit, when women have opinions of their own that you cannot undermine.

Yes, exactly.

We’re not going away, and we’re never going to agree with you.

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:44

NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2024 09:32

So in other words, trans activism in a nutshell. “We don’t need to worry about stuff that never happens!”

But logically though, why one false term over another? Why not “unicorn feeding” or “pixie dust feeding”? So your logic is it’s ok to have falsehoods on signs because enough people like the false word? So that can be applied to anything, right?

Yes literally it's fine. "Unicorn feeding" is not going on a sign because that's a term you just made up. But if enough people started using that term for themselves, enough that a person designing a breastfeeding room thought "we should probably put unicorn feeding on here too because some people use that", then yes that would be fine.
This is the third time I've had an argument about language on FWR and it always comes down to "so if people used X term, you'd really be okay with it???" And the answer is always yes of course, people can use whatever words they want. If people don't understand the word then that's an issue but in the fictional universe we're talking about, "unicorn feeding" is a recognised term isn't it. To the extent that someone put it on a door.

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:45

NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2024 09:44

Post it AIBU then, with a survey. Love to see how you go there 🍿

Yep. They'll never do this tho. 'They can't handle the truth'.

and they're not after it anyway. They're drawn to this board like moths to a flame.

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:46

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:45

Yep. They'll never do this tho. 'They can't handle the truth'.

and they're not after it anyway. They're drawn to this board like moths to a flame.

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Are survey results from AIBU "the truth" then?

BayCityCoaster · 21/01/2024 09:47

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:44

Yes literally it's fine. "Unicorn feeding" is not going on a sign because that's a term you just made up. But if enough people started using that term for themselves, enough that a person designing a breastfeeding room thought "we should probably put unicorn feeding on here too because some people use that", then yes that would be fine.
This is the third time I've had an argument about language on FWR and it always comes down to "so if people used X term, you'd really be okay with it???" And the answer is always yes of course, people can use whatever words they want. If people don't understand the word then that's an issue but in the fictional universe we're talking about, "unicorn feeding" is a recognised term isn't it. To the extent that someone put it on a door.

So, rest assured then - that in a couple of years, ‘chest feeding’ will have become normalised, and then IT will be desperately triggering for the tiny minority, in the same way ‘breastfeeding’ apparently is.

So maybe we just wait and watch…

NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2024 09:47

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:44

Yes literally it's fine. "Unicorn feeding" is not going on a sign because that's a term you just made up. But if enough people started using that term for themselves, enough that a person designing a breastfeeding room thought "we should probably put unicorn feeding on here too because some people use that", then yes that would be fine.
This is the third time I've had an argument about language on FWR and it always comes down to "so if people used X term, you'd really be okay with it???" And the answer is always yes of course, people can use whatever words they want. If people don't understand the word then that's an issue but in the fictional universe we're talking about, "unicorn feeding" is a recognised term isn't it. To the extent that someone put it on a door.

Yes literally it's fine. "Unicorn feeding" is not going on a sign because that's a term you just made up.

Chest feeding is a term someone made up. Both equally inaccurate.

then yes that would be fine

It’s like when teenagers are so committed to being right they don’t care how stupid they look.

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:49

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:44

Yes literally it's fine. "Unicorn feeding" is not going on a sign because that's a term you just made up. But if enough people started using that term for themselves, enough that a person designing a breastfeeding room thought "we should probably put unicorn feeding on here too because some people use that", then yes that would be fine.
This is the third time I've had an argument about language on FWR and it always comes down to "so if people used X term, you'd really be okay with it???" And the answer is always yes of course, people can use whatever words they want. If people don't understand the word then that's an issue but in the fictional universe we're talking about, "unicorn feeding" is a recognised term isn't it. To the extent that someone put it on a door.

And the answer is always yes of course, people can use whatever words they want.

Explains a lot.

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:50

Dadjoke2 · 21/01/2024 09:46

Are survey results from AIBU "the truth" then?

Well not your truth, obvs 😆

ArabellaScott · 21/01/2024 09:51

Some people can use whatever words they want. Some will be fired, bullied, threatened and pilloried for it.

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:52

ArabellaScott · 21/01/2024 09:51

Some people can use whatever words they want. Some will be fired, bullied, threatened and pilloried for it.

... and arrested. Don't forget arrested.

bobomomo · 21/01/2024 09:53

Why would there be children on site unless there's a creche there too? If it's actually for pumping then call it that, no controversy. Only natal females can pump (or feed) I can't get too worked up though, better they call it a baby feeding room and avoid the terms altogether

NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2024 09:54

Datun · 21/01/2024 09:50

Well not your truth, obvs 😆

Maybe get Jack Turban on the case. He’s good at getting surveys to show you the answers you want, rather than the answers they actually give.