Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another GC employment tribunal. Adam's vs Edinburgh Rape Crsis

1000 replies

Rainbowshit · 15/01/2024 10:04

x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1746830866020442400?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
31
Sisterpita · 18/01/2024 11:57

I am talking in a work situation, which is what this ET is about, and not in general life. The ET will be decided on the law and case law and the evidence.

DH is trying to show RA breached DPA/GDPR and so the disciplinary action was justified.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/01/2024 11:58

What about when people in that environment talked about Wadhwa being trans?

NecessaryScene · 18/01/2024 11:58

What about when people in that environment talked about Wadhwa being trans?

Good people are allowed to mention it. Bad people aren't.

Boiledbeetle · 18/01/2024 11:59

I'm losing the will to live with this particular line of questioning.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/01/2024 12:00

I imagine it's the bulk of what he's got.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 18/01/2024 12:01

Yes, I think if he had anything better he'd be going with it. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

pronounsbundlebundle · 18/01/2024 12:02

Sisterpita · 18/01/2024 11:34

It’s about sensitive personal data and being trans is and as an employer I would put outing a NB person as AFAB as a risk.

So do service users have to close their eyes and wear earplugs in order to access care - because that's the only way they won't know the sex of anyone they're in a room with.

Is it ok to DELIBERATELY put a rape survivor in a position that will retraumatise them knowing that it will retraumatise them because they've already made that clear.

The coercive control is off the charts. Everyone can SEE and HEAR sex.

pronounsbundlebundle · 18/01/2024 12:04

As far as trans status goes, you can't have it both ways be shouting it from the 'authentic selves' rooftops one second and then expect secrecy from others at the same time.

That is coercive, abusive, harrassment.

Sisterpita · 18/01/2024 12:04

NecessaryScene · 18/01/2024 11:54

Fair point it was the NB, trying to answer too many questions.

Okay, but if it's that, is she concealing that she's NB from her colleagues?

If she is clearly "out" as NB at the office then again, an e-mail to people in the office mentioning it is not revealing anything to anyone.

In this case everyone in the trial and everyone here apparently knows. Are we breaching sensitive personal information?

You can't simultaneously tell people something and claim they're breaching your "sensitive personal data" when they discuss it among themselves. Disclosing it to a third party that you would not have told is where the protection should be kicking in.

By going to ET this information has been lawfully put in the public domain.
I agree RA asking the question internally was not a breach.

maltravers · 18/01/2024 12:05

”you’re entitled to female only care Ms B. No I can’t confirm your adviser is female. Take pot luck!”

Justabaker · 18/01/2024 12:05

PictureFrameWindow · 18/01/2024 11:42

Can someone clarify if RA sent the email (on AB AFAB) to the requesting client or just to two of the internal team?

Sent it internally. Made no disclosure to 3rd parties.

pronounsbundlebundle · 18/01/2024 12:07

I think that it would be 'wrong to bring your own prejudices and beliefs to a session with a service user' is a bit of an own goal.

You know like the belief and dogma that SEX doesn't matter for a RAPE VICTIM.

Ye gods.

Justabaker · 18/01/2024 12:08

LipbalmOrKnickers · 18/01/2024 12:01

Yes, I think if he had anything better he'd be going with it. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Yes - we in TT call this 'bad facts syndrome'. Grab the tiniest of loosest threads that is even the tangentially related and see if the claim can be unravelled, so to speak.
Two pronged approach:

  • you joined with bad intent, meaning to cause trouble
and or
  • you did bad things anyway
MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 18/01/2024 12:08

LipbalmOrKnickers · 18/01/2024 11:47

TTBOMK, just to the two team members, asking for guidance on how to reply to service user.

Yes, from what I can see she didn't confirm the NB sex to the service user, just asked for advice on how best to reply. So far so normal yeah?

Ahhhhh, but you're not allowed to ask questions see? Especially questions about the sacred caste of the gender brigade, and extra especially when asking for clarification - as they can't clarify anything cause it makes their feelings hurt.

So just imagine how, how MUCH poor NBs feelings were so incredibly hurt when NB realised a question had been asked! On an internal email no less, and only to the relevant people mind, but it's THERE, in the sent items folder, hurting away with it's nasty bigotry.

You don't ask for clarity for goodness sake, you reply with a blanket statement that means fuck all, surely everyone knows that?

Never mind reassuring rape victims, the women they are there to help, bollocks to them, no, the gender woo has been questioned, and that will never do. 🙄

pronounsbundlebundle · 18/01/2024 12:08

Someone who's all about gender identity and believes it matters more than sex and they should compel the beliefs of others can't counsel the majority of rape victims. Because it would be 'wrong to bring your own beliefs and prejudices into the interaction with the service user'.

That's just a fact.

Justabaker · 18/01/2024 12:09

Sisterpita · 18/01/2024 11:57

I am talking in a work situation, which is what this ET is about, and not in general life. The ET will be decided on the law and case law and the evidence.

DH is trying to show RA breached DPA/GDPR and so the disciplinary action was justified.

His legal problem is - that's not what they charged her with.

Sisterpita · 18/01/2024 12:10

pronounsbundlebundle · 18/01/2024 12:02

So do service users have to close their eyes and wear earplugs in order to access care - because that's the only way they won't know the sex of anyone they're in a room with.

Is it ok to DELIBERATELY put a rape survivor in a position that will retraumatise them knowing that it will retraumatise them because they've already made that clear.

The coercive control is off the charts. Everyone can SEE and HEAR sex.

That is not what I am saying. I am trying to explain how the DOA/GDPR applies in a work situation.

For the record I 100% believe females, irrespective of any trauma, should have the right to request female service providers be they medical profession, counsellors, providers of personal care, beauty therapists.

pronounsbundlebundle · 18/01/2024 12:10

I'm getting really handmaid's tale vibes about ERCC.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/01/2024 12:10

Mridul Wadhwa literally stropped off out of the SNP because the majority of them voted for an amendment to change the word "gender" to "sex" so that female rape victims could have a medical examination by a female examiner. The Forensic Medicine Bill.

How could that be achieved if no one was allowed to know whether someone "non binary" was female or not?

Sisterpita · 18/01/2024 12:11

Justabaker · 18/01/2024 12:09

His legal problem is - that's not what they charged her with.

I know.

NecessaryScene · 18/01/2024 12:13

How could that be achieved if no one was allowed to know whether someone "non binary" was female or not?

By treating non-binary people logically. They are ineligible for sex-specific positions.

They need to follow through on their beliefs. If they're asking for special "I'm neither sex" provision, then they should get that.

They're free to do whatever they want to do in situations that are not sex-specific. But they can't just act as if they have a sex wildcard.

Justme56 · 18/01/2024 12:14

Sorry I have not been following the tweets. Is there any evidence that the Centre had policies and procedures in place with regards to data protection, records of training undertaken, privacy notices given to employees (identifying what data can and cannot be shared), a recognised point of contact for queries? Or was it just an expectation that everyone who worked/volunteered knew it all. I was of the understanding that unless most of the above was in place responsiblity fell with the employer.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 18/01/2024 12:14

And to think, if they'd just filed RA's query in the 'Hate' folder with the other emails raising questions they could have moved smoothly on and forgotten all about it. Ah, hindsight.

RocketPanda · 18/01/2024 12:15

There's an incredible sadness to the fact that a woman was turned away from a rape crisis centre in a time of need. No matter what way its spun it can never be justified.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 18/01/2024 12:15

'Sex Wildcard' would be an excellent user name. Just saying...

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.