Wtf is Alan Cummings blithering on about?

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Just seems to be a stream of tripe and non sequiturs. Was he drunk? High?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12948343/Alan-Cumming-says-public-arms-Rishi-Sunak-denying-existence-trans-people.html

Are we back to ‘no one is talking about this?

Labour love that one

It's in the op arthur 🙄 all I did was take out the "like" and "you knows"

Strangely they didn't include those kind of vocal tics when reporting what Sunak said.

Crossed with your edit - I did it because it annoyed me that they intentionally made him look stupid. Bad journalism IMO.

I see. Just seems a bit odd to edit. Or to complain about a paper reporting someone's speech accurately.

I do actually agree with the more general point about politicians focussing on some issues to take attention away from others, but then Alan seems to get it all arse about face. And I'd say the more pertinent point about the whole 'at least the Tories know what a woman is', is that it ignores the fact that we've had a Tory government (or coalition) for the best part of 14 years. 14 years that have seen a massive increase in the influence of trans-lobbying organisations, males in women prisons, erosion of single-sex spaces & services etc. Look at what they do, not what they say.

Personally I prefer transcripts/reported speech to be as close to verbatim as possible. But I guess views on that differ.

He said: 'I think it's interesting the way sometimes politicians behave in England, that they are so desperate to hang on to their jobs that they do things that do not reflect the wishes of the people who elected them.

Seriously Alan? You'll find plenty of politicians that do things that do not reflect the wishes of the people who elected them a bit closer to home.

(Yes, I know he lives in the US now).

Far better for the Tories that we discuss the minutiae of DSD than focus on the fact maternal deaths are increasing, or that rape is decriminalised, or that women and children are increasingly living in poverty

It's actually a significant number of Labour MPs and councillors who are the ones obsessed with this nonsense, along with Lib Dems of course. Why don't you tell them to concentrate on more important things instead and stop wasting time? Or is it only the people who say no to it and move on that you want to complain about?

I'm not voting Tory either (I'm going to spoil my ballot) but truth and honesty is important. I often think the childish 'look over there' when discussing the effect of trans on women's rights is an acknowledgement of how damaging and embarrassing the issue is for the true believers in politics but as they're on their team it's deflection time.

What is he even talking about here

The wishes of males such as him?

Because the women who bring it up are told to stop

He and others can bog off quite frankly

It's actually a significant number of Labour MPs and councillors who are the ones obsessed with this nonsense, along with Lib Dems of course. Why don't you tell them to concentrate on more important things instead and stop wasting time? Or is it only the people who say no to it and move on that you want to complain about?

Yep @Alltheprettyseahorses In terms Alan might understand, it takes 2 sides to wage a 'culture war'

It takes one side to start this. Alan might want to look up the GRA

Complaining that women are now speaking up shows male privilege to his core

Actually, i agree the Mail stitched him up a bit by quoting him verbatim. Much like quoting Trump verbatim (except too often no editing will make that guy make sense). I still don't understand why Cummings was so mean about Biden.

He's British so has every right to an opinion on our politics.
Honestly this shouldn't even be interesting, it's his personal opinion.

Not really, any politician can start a "culture war" by overinflating and misrepresenting an issue.

Look at how JKRs books got banned for witchcraft in the states for example. She didn't "wage a culture war" but one was certainly happening, due to the fundamentalist Christians over there taking exception to her books.

There’s a lot of minimising about what women are talking about so people overlook the legal issues and do the gov are making it up schtick

It’s politically loyal but it doesn’t help women. The opposite. It attempts to undermine.

'wage' as engage in. There are Labour politicians who are just as guilty of stoking 'culture wars'. They just don't define themselves as doing that, because they think they're the good guys

The term ‘“culture wars” is just an excuse to try and silence women

I got as far as him saying that women's rights weren't important and stopped reading because obviously he's not someone who has a POV worth listening to. When this cult breaks, I hope Holllywood drops people like him and black lists everything he's ever been in. Imagine being so proud to hate women!

No it isn't.
The term "culture wars" is about oversimplifying a complex issue and weaponising it into "goodies and baddies", then using it to drive decisions based on emotion not fact.

Holding and discussing a variety of positions is not "shutting down women".

You'll notice Cummings talked about "politicians", not a particular party

It’s all the same and comes from the same camp repeatedly

Also see ‘trans issues’ “moral panic’ and ‘no one is talking about it’

Yeh we get it, Labour / Guardian whatever

Luckily court cases are showing it matters. Thank fuck for that and brava to Forstater, Meade and others. Otherwise we’d just have “culture wars” garbage term people come up with to minimise.

As for ‘emotion not fact’ the GRA and subsequent court cases have bog all to do with ‘emotion’

@literalviolence he should join up with Billy Bragg for some good old women hating

He doesn’t think our PM (you know the one who actually lives in this country) should be “allowed” to express an opinion which differs from his. Not so tolerant after all maybe.

Hmm. At risk of squabbling, I hear a load of right wing waffle around immigration Christianity and gender politics from "the same camp repeatedly". Often factually incorrect.

You are fully entitled to your views, others are fully entitled to challenge them and that isn't "shutting women down".

Cummings is also entitled to his views, to be honest I'm surprised they are that interesting to the DM given, as many have pointed out, he doesn't live here.

I just read up on Cumming (apologies for previous misspellings). I'd totally forgotten he's Scottish. He, in the course of his employment, has dabbled in cross-dressing. You'd think that would make him realise that clothes don't unmake the man. And he sings! I already knew about the perfume. His Dad seems to have been a real piece of work 😠

Often factually incorrect

In your head maybe but not substantiated. And yes the terms you use undermine women speaking up, that’s the whole point of them. It’s why Labour, the Guardian and TRAs rely on them to the extent they do.

Anyway engaging on other threads was depressing enough, let alone FWR.