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Telegraph: Parents who refuse children gender change face seven years in jail in Scotland

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ResisterRex · 09/01/2024 19:43

What to say? They'll stop at nothing. Women and children, and parents are just cannon fodder. Who cares if they get hurt.

For shame.

"Parents who refuse to allow their children to change gender would face up to seven years in jail under SNP plans to ban “conversion therapy”.
Proposals published on Tuesday state that actions designed to “change or suppress” another individual’s gender identity, causing them physical or psychological harm, would become illegal under the radical law.
SNP ministers acknowledged that so-called conversion practices often took place in a “family setting”, raising the prospect that parents could be criminalisedd_ if they refuse to go along with their child’s declaration that they are transgender.
Stopping someone from “dressing in a way that reflects their sexual orientation or gender identity” was put forward as an example of an action that would become illegal, even if a parent believed they were acting in a child’s best interests.
A consultation states that alongside new criminal sanctions, preemptive civil orders could be obtained against parents or religious leaders, even where conversion practices had not yet taken place.
The plans are the latest controversial measure put forward by the SNPP_. Critics argue the proposals would have a devastating impact on freedom of speech, privacy and family life in Scotland.
Religious campaigners have vowed to fight the ban in the courts.
“We have grave concerns that these plans will criminalise loving parents, who could face years in jail simply for refusing to sign up to the gender ideology cult,” Marion Calder, a director at the campaign group For Women Scotlandd_, said.
“They will also hand activists and social workers unprecedented powers to meddle in family life, while having a chilling impact on therapists and counsellors.
“If the SNP and Greens insist on pushing this through, it is likely to go the same way as the toxic self-ID and named person laws and be blocked in the courts.”"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/09/parents-refuse-child-gender-change-jail-snp-conversion-ban/

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UtopiaPlanitia · 15/01/2024 21:51

ResisterRex · 09/01/2024 19:46

And what will Labour have to say about it?

Good point, given how widely disliked the SNP/ Greens GRA Bill was, will Labour grow a backbone and seek changes to reduce the excessive elements in this Bill? Or will they do more of the same mumbling things through readings and committees because the activists have them scared?

The SNP/Greens coalition is one bonkers piece of legislation after another.

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2024 22:22

Labour will probably frown and tut about the flaws in the policy, and then meekly vote it through as they did the GRR.

Leyenda · 16/01/2024 10:33

If conversion therapy is banned, much will depend on the approach the police take and if they prosecute all cases of conversion therapy, or just the ones they personally don’t like.

I would like to see every trans activist who says to a child “You’re probably trans / you’d be happier trans / it’s cooler to be trans / you’re transphobic if you won’t sleep with me” to be prosecuted for conversion therapy.

But I suspect the police approach will be, as in most things, to arrest women at the drop of a hat but let men get away with most crimes.

I’m interested in this conversation because at my school there was huge pressure to be gay and it was very common to be sexually harassed by people saying “How do you know you won’t like it if you haven’t tried it, let me…”. But if you said you weren’t interested you were called homophobic. 🧐

IcakethereforeIam · 17/01/2024 22:36
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The Telegraph, apparently the SNP are bottling it

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/17/snp-ministers-water-down-conversion-therapy-ban-revolt/

https://archive.ph/NsJ7a

Don't believe 'em.

rogdmum · 18/01/2024 08:06

It’s just the same minimising they did under the GRR Bill. Women’s rights? Of course the GRR Bill doesn’t impact women’s rights. Parental rights? Of course the conversion therapy bill doesn’t impact parental rights.

ArabellaScott · 18/01/2024 10:12

Me neither. GRR will be fine with all the exemptions and caveats. Except then they swept them away and voted them down.

'Several SNP politicians are unhappy that the proposals have been published in a general election year, fearing they could prove as unpopular and divisive as <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/NsJ7a/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/12/08/government-block-nicola-sturgeon-gender-reforms-lawful/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nicola Sturgeon’s gender self-ID law.'

No shit.

Britinme · 26/01/2024 00:02

I am engaged in a discussion on another forum (yes Virginia there are other fora) with a highly educated Scottish guy who absolutely can't get his head around my objections and insists on equating it with false fears about a smacking ban.

EvelynBeatrice · 26/01/2024 16:23

People who don’t worry about this have never read any Scottish legislation - they constantly draft as widely as possible, which isn’t ideal when you’re creating criminal offences. There is no effective second chamber. Occasionally, they try to ( or have to) claw back some of the absurdly wide unclear provisions in guidance, but usually the aim whether deliberate or inadvertent is to maximise prosecutorial discretion - so Josephine Public is entirely dependent upon the crown office/ fiscals / police applying the law in a non partisan, non political, sensible way….. and given what we’ve seen to date….how the Hate Crime law is applied will be a good indication of what might happen

caringcarer · 26/01/2024 17:06

Absolute madness. Typical SNP policy.

DuesToTheDirt · 26/01/2024 18:29

There is no effective second chamber.

Absolutely. I hadn't thought about this until the GRR fiasco, when Westminster had to rescue us from the madness.

ArabellaScott · 27/01/2024 10:05

EvelynBeatrice · 26/01/2024 16:23

People who don’t worry about this have never read any Scottish legislation - they constantly draft as widely as possible, which isn’t ideal when you’re creating criminal offences. There is no effective second chamber. Occasionally, they try to ( or have to) claw back some of the absurdly wide unclear provisions in guidance, but usually the aim whether deliberate or inadvertent is to maximise prosecutorial discretion - so Josephine Public is entirely dependent upon the crown office/ fiscals / police applying the law in a non partisan, non political, sensible way….. and given what we’ve seen to date….how the Hate Crime law is applied will be a good indication of what might happen

Given the way the legal system in Scotland is politically involved, it's a recipe for a very dangerous undemocratic situation.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/lord-advocate-role-and-functions/

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/comment/five-flaws-scotlands-government

Lord Advocate: role and functions

The role and functions of Scotland's Lord Advocate.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/lord-advocate-role-and-functions

SammyScrounge · 03/04/2024 02:31

ResisterRex · 09/01/2024 19:46

And what will Labour have to say about it?

Envious that they didn't think of it first.

lonelywater · 03/04/2024 02:41

SammyScrounge · 03/04/2024 02:31

Envious that they didn't think of it first.

you would think that they might learn something, based on the fact that all their gender woo laws thus far are as popular as leprosy.

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