Telegraph: Parents who refuse children gender change face seven years in jail in Scotland

[ResisterRex]

What to say? They'll stop at nothing. Women and children, and parents are just cannon fodder. Who cares if they get hurt.

For shame.

"Parents who refuse to allow their children to change gender would face up to seven years in jail under SNP plans to ban “conversion therapy”.
Proposals published on Tuesday state that actions designed to “change or suppress” another individual’s gender identity, causing them physical or psychological harm, would become illegal under the radical law.
SNP ministers acknowledged that so-called conversion practices often took place in a “family setting”, raising the prospect that parents could be criminalisedd_ if they refuse to go along with their child’s declaration that they are transgender.
Stopping someone from “dressing in a way that reflects their sexual orientation or gender identity” was put forward as an example of an action that would become illegal, even if a parent believed they were acting in a child’s best interests.
A consultation states that alongside new criminal sanctions, preemptive civil orders could be obtained against parents or religious leaders, even where conversion practices had not yet taken place.
The plans are the latest controversial measure put forward by the SNPP_. Critics argue the proposals would have a devastating impact on freedom of speech, privacy and family life in Scotland.
Religious campaigners have vowed to fight the ban in the courts.
“We have grave concerns that these plans will criminalise loving parents, who could face years in jail simply for refusing to sign up to the gender ideology cult,” Marion Calder, a director at the campaign group For Women Scotlandd_, said.
“They will also hand activists and social workers unprecedented powers to meddle in family life, while having a chilling impact on therapists and counsellors.
“If the SNP and Greens insist on pushing this through, it is likely to go the same way as the toxic self-ID and named person laws and be blocked in the courts.”"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/09/parents-refuse-child-gender-change-jail-snp-conversion-ban/

Who the fuck will decide what clothes "reflect their sexual orientation or gender expression "?

If I object to my child (of either sex) rocking up at school in full drag or dressed as a puppy because that reflects their "gender expression" or "sexuality" rather than bog standard teen rebellion, do I get reported?

I guess school rules on hair colour having to be "natural" are out the window as that seems to be a key part of "expressing" one's non-binary blue-gender.

I do hope it will come out soon rogdmum.

I thought the same as regards the schools guidance for England and Wales.

And I wonder how Scot Gov plans to "prove" Scottish children are so different without sounding like xenophobes/utter loons

The death of the ages old cry of the parent "you're not going out like that".

Oh I see, I understand what you mean now about men who would be interested in keeping children permanently young, (yuk), but why the no sexual function? ( I mean I understand why it happens eg if they go on blockers, but Imean why would men want them to have no sexual function)

preemptive civil orders could be obtained against parents or religious leaders, even where conversion practices had not yet taken place.

Wut??

Really sorry to hear that, what did social services do?

Yes this is exactly what can happen. No one not parents or school will be able to say a word

7 years in jail. Ffs. My government.

why are they not focusing on drug deaths. Poverty

School is an interesting one because in my experience (South of England so not Scotland) school uniform is extremely strict so would definitely not currently be allowed of course, but I have read of uniform policies needing/being changed due to being discriminatory (examples were race but I guess any pc could apply) and of course gender is not a pc

Watsons school completely captured by this. How you were treated by them. Unbelievable

Because it is for their own gratification and I suspect couldn't give a fuck if they had no sexual function. As long as they look the part...

So children taken into foster care and parents imprisoned.

Gosh that's going to have amazing outcomes on the children involved isn't it? I mean that stacks the dice miles high for happiness and stability. I'll await the inevitable court cases (in the mad event this isn't stamped on when it hits reality in a court room) of those children taking the Scots govt to court for harms done, interference in family life, failure to protect from activists and captured nutjobs in positions of power, the damage of the care system and the guilt of what they've done to their parents/the wreckage of their extended family relationships. Detransitioners or not, that really ought to be worth millions in compensation, which will be needed to buy in the services to recover.

I couldn't help but think of that scene in 'The Killing Fields' where a young child (who is in an outdoor school lesson) is by a blackboard with stickmen drawn on it in chalk that shows a family holding hands. They cross out the parents and then rub out the 'hands' between the parents and the children.

@Apollo441 OMG yes you are right, why would they care about their enjoyment, absolutely horrendous :-(

This is appalling. I’d consider counter action - like reporting the deputy head to child protection. The Cass report is very clear on the impact of social transition - there are clear child protection issues around a school forcing this against the families beliefs of what’s best for the child. If this got into the press, it would be very damaging for Watsons.

It makes me shudder to think of children ending up in the care system, let alone any of the rest of it. How do they think that will help?

I was honestly surprised when this was talked about in parliament last time that 'gay conversion practice' wasn't already outlawed in the UK (thinking e.g. sending to American type ultra religious summer camp to 'cure' gay son, obviously bad) but it seems it's because they are linking together all or nothing. What do social services currently 'do' with e.g. homophobic parents who don't accept their teenagers sexuality?

This is terrifying. WTF is going on? As the parent if a trans-identifying DC (albeit a young adult), I'm concerned this complete inability to think rationally will come to the rest of the UK if there's a change of goverment of Westminster.

Given the Scottish government is so keen to break up families, I can only assume Scotland must have a surplus of foster parents and excellent outcomes for looked after children.

That's women and children under the bus in Scotland then.
The harm this would do is horrific.

This equates anything but unconditional enthusiastic affirmation - to something parents may see the extreme harm in for their child and all the political influences of adults some of whom with highly dodgy agendas and histories - with serious physical assault and injury.

SERIOUS.

Anyone who has ever fought through the months and months to get a child out of a situation of neglect, actual physical endangerment and harm, including injuries, is going to be looking at this thinking - kids in real actual danger, it takes months. Years. Evidence. A threshold sky high before removal is considered (and often with no consequences to parents.) But drag your feet with trans politics?

THAT matters. That gets child protection on crack. That puts parents in jail.

(What are you in for? I expressed doubts about my child taking untested and potentially life changing/destroying medication.)

I think today's legal findings blows this out of the water on multiple fronts as it stands, this insanity will never stand up.

Is the Cass Report this one: sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/The-Cass-Review-Interim-Report-Final-Bookmarked.pdf ? I haven't read it yet but re: permanent changes surely people should have to be over 18 minimum to be prescribed cross sex hormones or have surgery anyway and I also don't think they should be prescribed puberty blockers due to risk of harm and being a 'gateway'. I have had a quick whizz through to read up on social transition but I can't find that bit, can anyone help me find it?

What happened today?

@Froodwithatowel

"I think today's legal findings blows this out of the water on multiple fronts as it stands, this insanity will never stand up."

"What happened today?"

Never mind found it, just reading it now, so this means they can't discriminate against parents with gender critical beliefs therefore can't send them to prison?

FFS It's the failed "named person" on steroids
"hand activists and social workers unprecedented powers to meddle in family life"

why the fuck are these idiots who can't build ferries or upgrade roads or reduce drug deaths so confident they're better at looking out for children than their parents?

Any Child & Family social worker worth their salt will tell you that the whole point of children and families work is to maintain the family unit as far as is possible. Every bit of available data tells us that children in care of the state do appallingly on all measures - academic, life chances, mental health - everything. Every social worker knows that only the courts can remove parental rights. The whole professional safeguarding network works together to support children and - as far as is possible - keep children in their families.

These people are dangerous. They're openly trying to break families, break the social contract, use children to pursue their own dodgy agendas. All in plain sight.

IANAL, but is freedom of conscience not a human right any more? It's not a universal right of course but on the whole we don't have to participate in any religion or ritual if we choose not to? Affirming someone's "immersive fiction" about gender comes into this category for me.