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Kate doesn’t want Prince George to go to Eton – and for once I agree with her | Zoe Williams | The Guardian

Sorry if there is another thread on this article by Zoe Williams which is rather extraordinary on a number of counts, but especially confusing is the following:

"Which isn’t to say that nothing good came of it – my experience of an all-girls’ school, followed by twice as long as a trustee of a prison charity, informed a lot of my politics, including why I became a transgender ally. Before I had thought seriously about trans rights, and the immeasurable preciousness of any human being with the courage to live their most meaningful and truthful life, I thought: “Wait, are you saying all-female spaces are kinder? Purer? Inherently less violent? More supportive? Are you joking? Are you out of your mind?”"

I think I might be struggling with my comprehension today - but I don't think gender critical feminists are necessarily saying all-female spaces are kinder or purer - although, yes, almost certainly inherently less violent. It seems like a conflation of different points flung together to construct a straw man argument and entirely misunderstanding safeguarding as a concept in the process. Is this deliberate? Or is she not able to see this? Baffling.

With her head firmly up her own bum?

Tinysoxxx · Today 16:41

Do The Guardian or Zoe ever ask ‘are we the baddies?’

Judging by the outraged shite she's mashing out on Twitter at the moment, I'd say no.

Whoops

Hahaha poor Zoe, it's never enough, is it?

My heart bleeds,thoughts are with her at this difficult time etc.

You can, to paraphrase the immortal Maya A, trod your professional credibility and autonomy into the very dirt, and entitled whining TRA twats will still find fault with you. Easier just to tell them to fuck off, really.

Yep. Anyone with any self respect would have told Monty to fuck off a long time ago. So I expect Zoe to be kissing Monty's feet any minute now!

Not feet.

😱

Looks like I'm 4 hours too late!

ARSE. Not whatever body part you had in mind!

An apology was, as expected, forthcoming

In which Zoe demonstrated not just the expected cringing servitude, but that she knows fine well TWAM (by not including them in the original Ally Hour suggestion).

Oh my f g

f g - Fawn & Grovel?

Not one of Aardmans better productions...

What happened to ZW? Where did her brain go?

Oh Zoe. Zoe Zoe Zoe 🤦🏻‍♂️

Expert grovelling and all but do you not realize that NOTHING will ever be enough for these people?

Christ she's embarrassing. Scrabbling for relevance.

Genuinely think that if Woman's Hour is going to give this much uncritical airtime to GCs, then for balance the BBC should have a Trans Ally hour

Does she never watch the BBC or something? She seems to be unfamiliar with their programming.

Also “for balance” if she’s going to use “GCs” then shouldn’t she also use “TRAs”?

ZW isn’t even that young, and is pretty traditionally educated, so I don’t know why she is so devoid of critical thinking ability but it’s not new. I have been getting riled by her total non-sequiturs and logic fails and wrong-end-of-stick grabbing for decades - since I used to actually buy the guardian, and that was ages ago.

Her woman’s hour trans tweet is funny in how it belies that this is really about her, not trans people. Me, give airtime to me, so I can show pure I am in my allyship! Or maybe she does actually realise that WH has interviewed a lot more TW than GC women, so saying trans people would make no sense (but that amount of thought wouldn’t be typical).

She makes Caitlin Moran look like Andrea Dworkin. Does she really buy this ridiculous line that being opposed to gender stereotypes and wanting to defend women’s and homosexual rights is all motivated by hating trans people for the sake of it? Why would it be? It’s such a shallow playground concept and accusation.

I think you’re probably right and part of her desperation to appear cool is to try and cover up her privilege. There’s not a chance a working class journalist would getaway with being so mediocre

As for Monty. Also ought to listen to WH to hear the gobsmacking extent to which it has literally been about TW for years. They made Caitlin Jenner their top woman of the year at one point!

'Uncritical airtime to GC's'. 'Balance'.

Jo was on to talk about her experience and the judgment. She suffered direct discrimination, harassment, constructive unfair dismissal, wrongful dismissal, post employment victimisation and post employment harassment.

And Zoe is sulking that no one was invited on to criticise Jo?! Is she for real?

What does she want, Jolyon Kimono on to pretend that Jo lost? The people who made her life a misery invited on, for 'balance', to explain how bullying, harassment, discrimination, wrongful dismissal and post employment victimisation is a good thing?

And all that happened because Jo dares to think women literally exist as a sex class and that men aren’t women. Which most people think and is backed up by the evidence, and is kind of core to the whole concept of a programme called Woman’s Hour.

However, I really, really do hope WH take Zoe up on it and invite her to discuss the topic with Jo, or Helen Joyce, or Kathleen Stock, or any leading GC feminist. Because I would bet my house she doesn’t have the first clue why she thinks what she thinks or any logical or evidence-based defence of her viewpoint. It’s just fake accusations of “waaaaa, you hate the poor marginalised trans people” instead of listening to the arguments. Many of which are agreed on by a number of trans people.

I interpreted it as “I hate other women, so fuck them and their gender-based rights”, but I suspect that isn’t how she intended it to land.