Women's rights network report released tomorrow 08.01.24

[WarriorN]

Raising awareness of a very damming report that will be released tomorrow by the woman's rights network based on many FOI requests.

x.com/womensrightsnet/status/1743966666524963204?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

First article just out - report being released tomorrow morning https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12936281/Most-police-forces-allow-trans-officers-strip-search-women-campaigners-warn-lead-state-sanctioned-sexual-assault.html

Not only allowing transwomen officers to do strip searches on biological women but requiring female officers (biological women) to do strip searches on transwomen in custody. Women being treated very badly from two directions at once. The only bright spot is that some (minority) of police forces have not said they are adopting/have adopted these practices. (That could be because these police forces did not respond to FOI requests but perhaps it means there is some sanity somewhere?)

I wonder if the BBC and the Guardian will report on it fairly.

Okay, now much angrier. This seems to set up the police service to pimp out female police officers to pander to men (transwomen) who will include those with fetishes that this provision will feed into. Or face disciplinary action. It's surely constructive dismissal, and also indirect racism if your race/religion would prescribe handling nude men like this.

It’s not only in custody. If you’re stopped on the street and end up being strip searched out of public view and either arrested or let go - you could be stripped, using force if necessary, by a male officer.
And if you object, it’s ‘discriminatory’ and you’re ‘hate crimed’.
Police forces have lost the plot.
Poor police women too - put up or face consequences.

Utterly Horrific. Thanks for the update.

I've recently heard of a trans identifying male joining a Gp surgery and attending the chaperone training. The woman who told me didn't know how it would play out in practise though.

That would also be worth clarifying across the country.

Report is here:

www.womensrights.network/wrn-police-report

Absolutely horrific.

Report led by Cathy Larkman by the looks of things.

wonder what will happen.

Appalling. One can only conclude that a number of the numerous predatory, sex offending police officers now finally being identified and kicked out of the force have floated to senior positions and are being allowed to inflict their predatory values on women. It's time that every single senior officer who has signed off on this travesty not only has their hard drives checked but is subject to the most rigorous investigation to identify why it is they have such a dangerous attitude to women's safety.

OP - I wonder whether there might be a new thread with this headlined now the horror of it all is apparent?

The BBC does not seem to be reporting it at all, instead centring a story about a deficit in police officers and burglaries.

Can policewomen ID as non binary or 'fae' gender when asked to perform a strip search on someone XY identifying as female gender and get out of it? Because they're no longer the same gender?

If not, why not?

Why is one person's gender ID to be validated and believed at all costs and someone else's not. Honestly, I'd genuinely self-ID with all my soul as something else if it meant I didn't have to touch someone like Dolatowski, Miller or Bryson and subject myself to sexual assault (coerced if I can't afford to lose my job in this scenario).

Does it have anything to do with binary sex - in terms of who must be believed and accommodated even when what they're asking for is illegal and breaching someone else's human rights? I think the evidence points in that direction from the sound of it.

Gender fluid is a thing (see Pips Bunce) to be celebrated according to TRAs. Probably the safest thing to do if you're a policewoman is - obviously - get another job but if that's not possible start ID-ing as a different gender and 'gender fluid' every day so the chances you'll be the same gender as any given person arrested will be slim.

Similarly, can you ID as Muslim and not be able to strip search someone of the opposite sex (whatever their gender or GRC status) on religious grounds? If not, why not, why is one self-belief more important than the restrictions of a religion that has been established for many thousands of years and is practised by many many more of the population than trans identified males, even at the upper estimates of the latter 'as anyone who says they're a woman within 5 mins of being arrested'?

Unless this is all about the police denying women, including their own staff, human rights and treating them as commodities that can be used by men for sexual purposes. Which is against the law, but you wouldn't know it from the way many police forces operate. It's a human rights violation.

And again, if women who are Muslim do not have protections in their job on the grounds of sex that means that no Muslim women can be police officers, which is clear discrimination in terms of the EA 2010.

Twitter thread here with key findings

x.com/womensrightsnet/status/1744253184128758171?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

It's absolutely disgusting that the people who are supposed to be taking care of the most vulnerable in society are enabling abuse.

More institutional racism

Not aware of any other news reports yet but Sonia Sodah is all over it

x.com/soniasodha/status/1744285804237636066?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

The police of all institutions know that a certain proportion of men will go out of their way to sexually assault women and children (because presumably this will apply to girls too - thinking of the terrible case where a teenage girl was strip searched at school).

So now all these men have to do is join the police, look for some made up reason to strip search someone and they're able to sexually assault women and girls with freedom? Am guessing police officers in the mould of Carrick and Couzens won't be targeting their victims based on gender identity but rather on sex despite gender ID being oh so very much more important.

Agree with PP senior officers who've pushed this need hard drives checking this is a clear abusers charter. It's allowing certain men to sexually assault women and girls within the law.

And it's a human rights abuse.

Horrifying.

Most of the population don't even believe in everyone having some hidden inner gender identity. Hard not to think, looking at this, that gender is just a made up thing to help abusive men to abuse.

I know there are genuinely trans people but why aren't they speaking up when they see shit like this? It's so obviously not in their interests either.

It always comes down to should it be a legal requirement for women to validate men with their bodies.

At all.

Some of those women may genuinely believe that those men are something other and different to other men, and that their internal sense of self expression has meaning to other people.

Other women may believe that those male people are enacting a fiction that is no different to expressing themselves as a Klingon or a cat.

All these women are fully entitled to their own perceptions.

Many people of both sexes seem to believe there is a difference between a male sincerely believing he is a woman and a male pretending to be a woman, and that the objective experience of the woman is ok or not ok, dependent on the decision made about the male person's subjective sincerity ffs.

Why are women's realities ever supposed to be predicated on what may or may not be going on inside a man's head?

And why the actual fuck has the police and law of this country become involved with this to the point of being threatening, coercive, threatening and applying punishment and actual forcible assault to make women provide access to their body to validate a man?

And let's just check - is it privileged, affluent, well protected and represented women who are going to find themselves at the sharp end of this abhorrent practice?

Gosh no. It would be the marginalised women. The vulnerable women. The ones without a voice, the ones oppressed enough that they're shouted down and laughed at when they try to speak out against ill treatment, the ones so unimportant they are derisively dismissed. This would be the poor women. The ones without high levels of education. The ones from minority faiths and backgrounds. Disabled women, particularly those with Autism. Traumatised women with a history of abuse.

This is where my absolute fury rests on those women not of those groups who speak out in favour of these policies and in effect hand over these vulnerable women for abuse they themselves know they will never risk.

Emma Watson, Nicola Sturgeon, Layla Moran and the twit who likes to grin under signs calling to decapitate women for saying no to this abuse of women by men, are any of them going to find themselves faced with a burly male informing them that he gets to run his hands all over their body to search them, while they're pinned down if they don't voluntarily co operate, because internally he identifies with womanly feelings which apparently cancels out sanity and reality? I wonder how much they'd stand by their nice views when they were in a police room, terrified, faced with him? Or when they're ordered to search an obviously excited, grinning male who identifies as a woman?

There is a word for salesmanning the bodies of women to men. Non consenting, vulnerable women. And I have a whole lot more words for privileged women who have fought and argued and wangled to hand over those lesser women to a fate they know they will never have to endure themselves. For sweeties and head pats.

I know there are genuinely trans people but why aren't they speaking up when they see shit like this? It's so obviously not in their interests either.

What do you mean by genuinely trans people? Obviously some people are more genuine in their own belief that they are born in the wrong body, but this is not an objectively defined category of people.

If you mean transsexuals, they are the ones who have been largely responsible for this mess, so I wouldn't expect them to speak up because it appears to be what they wanted all along. I'm talking about people like Christine Burns and Stephen Whittle whose group Press for Change played a large part in getting the original GRA passed 20 years ago.

‘Our successes as a campaign were grounded in progress made for people who fitted the clinical definition of transsexual. At the heart of this was a tacit understanding that people in positions of power might be persuaded to change laws for people with some kind of clinically underwritten status – something they couldn’t help being.

‘We knew in our hearts at that time that policymakers and judges weren’t yet sophisticated enough in their understanding to contemplate rights for people whose difference appeared self-identified or impermanent or maybe even optional. That didn’t mean we weren’t going to try where possible. There was a valid freedom of expression case to be made for people to be able to present in whatever way they wish. But we were also pragmatists, careful not to frighten the horses at this early stage.

(From Christine Burns: Pressing Matters Vol. 1)

More here:
https://womenspeakscotland.com/2021/06/23/the-trans-umbrella-is-older-than-you-think/

Great post.

Yes, this policy, in a nutshell, is about prioritising a man's inner feelings over women's feelings to the point of forcing / coercing women to validate men with their bodies.

It's like Taliban beliefs with a gloss of queer theory.

"And let's just check - is it privileged, affluent, well protected and represented women who are going to find themselves at the sharp end of this abhorrent practice?*

Actually one other group this might affect sre female protesters e.g climate campaigners. Some such protesters claim to have been strip searched in ghe past.

Still, given the huge overlap in the Venn diagram of climate protesters and gender ideologues, that specific cohort should have no particular complaint about the officers being transwomen.

Yes.

Reflecting, I'm not sure whether I'm more concerned/revolted at the thought of a distressed, frightened, non consenting woman being forced to comply with handling a male because he wants her to, or at the thought of a woman who believes that letting said male use her body is an important demonstration of her righteousness.

Worth noting various trans police/military staff have been discovered to be criminals:

https://transcrimeuk.com/tag/military-police/

Worst cases:

Multiple Sex offender
https://transcrimeuk.com/2018/11/16/nicholas-stacey-poole/

EDI officer convicted of Explosives charges, Possession of weapons,
https://transcrimeuk.com/2021/05/23/kyle-zoe-watts/

If it's not even legal, where the hell are they getting their advice.

If it's Stonewall or any other trans lobby group, they need investigating.

It's not good enough that these groups are leading our institutions down illegal paths and then claiming their hands are completely clean afterwards, because it's not them making the actual decisions.

ffs.

The home office needs to grab a microphone and say loud and clear that mixed sex strip searching is not allowed.

The report makes it very obvious, they have downloaded policy wholesale from extremist activists who believe that you control the law by ignoring it, training organisations in what you want, making sure that what happens on the ground is what you want by your evangelised sheep, and leave the government with two options. Do the massive massive job of forcing these organisations back into compliance with the law, or let it all roll until eventually some captured political party (waves at Starmer) changes the law to what you tell him.

If MPs are willing to let this happen, wtf are we paying them for? If the law is made and controlled in practice by whatever nutcase extremist group has the gall, why bother with the expense of parliament?