Keir Starmer New Year Speech

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He's always supported single sex spaces apparently

Q: Are single-sex spaces safe under Labour?

"Yes, and I have been really clear and unwavering on this.
From my time as chief prosecutor, I worked with a whole bunch of people on violence against women and girls, and saw and know myself from my own observations just how important it is."

Strange, because he always seemed to me to be equivocating by talking about "safe spaces"

Can we trust him on this?

Can we trust him on this?

Not until he tells us in detail exactly hos Labour will sort out the legislative mess, ensure single sex spaces and services in health, education, social care, ensure funding for single sex services (no insisting on "trans inclusion").

One excellent indication of this direction of travel would be tackling Welsh Labour and its batshit policies. He could do that immediately, before the GE.

The problem is that when Labour talk about single sex spaces they are talking about legal sex. It's meaningless.

Definition of 'women and girls' required to be clear here please.

No. Because he has stated 99% of women don't have penises.
Therefore his take on single sex spaces are really not single sex. His definitions are not clear.

Nope because we're under labour in Wales, always have been and are labours testing lab for everything from education to policing.

The OP quote is what he says in the clip tweeted by LWD but they tweeted it with a different quote attached. Is there a longer answer anywhere? Did he repeat what Dodds said?

"Pleased to hear @ Keir_Starmer repeat today @ UKLabour's support for women's single sex spaces as set out by @ AnnelieseDodds last July - "We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act.."
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"..Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services".
Our challenge to @ Keir_Starmer -
Brief your MPs & PPCs!"

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And crucially: what is reasonable? What modernisations are they planning?

Well, that's a fucking lie, Keir.

https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-says-99-9-of-women-havent-got-a-penis-as-he-faces-questions-over-trans-rights-12848438

How can you have single sex spaces if you can't define what a woman is?

I just don't trust them or that their definition of words they use like women, girls safe spaces etc is the same as mine.

Labour party MPs are on record saying all kinds of nonsense in the name of gender over recent years. Am I just supposed to take them at their word now?

What?? What's wrong with legal sex? I thought that was what we were fighting for, recognition that legal and documented sex is the correct way of grouping people not gender dictated by random feelings on any given weekday? What have I missed?

They’re arguing for the status quo

EqA not biological sex

What he’s saying is waffle and spin

We need a decent journalist to ask directly

GRC gives you the legal right to be the opposite sex

And since we can’t check men have access

From what was quoted there, no, wouldn't trust a word of it to actually mean anything in women and girl's favour

He didn’t answer the question btw

He is so unbelievably cowardly

It's very "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia", isn't it?

"legal and documented sex" would include under "women" any male with a GRC, which changes legal sex from male to female(and vice versa) dnd an amended birth certificate marked female, and any male possessing an official ID document, such as a driving licence or passport, with s female marker, which are very easy to obtain.

And as service providers etc are unable to ask if someone has a GRC, that effectively opens the door to any man.

I would think so. Can't see him pushing trans type rights anymore than already covered in the Equality Act which has an exemption for where there is a legitimate purpose.

Both parties I believe will leave it as it lies, with legitimate purpose always an option that can be deployed, where the exclusion is legitimate.

I would like to ask KS exactly how you exclude a man from a female single sex space when all his ID, including his birth certificate, says that he is female.

And if you can exclude a man with female on his birth certificate from a female single sex space, what exactly is the point of a GRC?

I'd have more time for him if he prefaced any comments with: 'I know we haven't always been clear on this in the Labour Party and I regret that.'

Trying to make out that they've always been 'clear and unwavering' just negates everything that follows.

And that's without even going into whether his shadow minister, Anneliese Dodds, knows the difference between single sex exemptions and exceptions.

So do toilet cleaners. It's an unresolvable argument.

"really clear and unwavering on this"
nope not even "99%" clear 🙄

Why the fuck can't politicians ever just say "wow we handled this badly but we've thought it through now and..." (because is isn't what happens I suppose... "wow the polls don't look as good as we'd like & apparently this is the soundbite we need" doesn't have quite the same ring)

But even if he said the first part it doesn’t change that he’s hiding that they won’t be securing single biological sex spaces

Only GRC led mixed sex - and since we can’t check which males have a GRC then what?

He has publicly supported self ID, IDK how much more trans activists want from him.