Rest is Politics Seb Coe: Corruption, gender, and the geopolitics of sport

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Thought FWR might be interested in this especially given TRIP hand waving away of any issues around TWAW and their beee kiiiind stance to date.

apparently released today

Can't see any link.

(Could be an app issue.)

I’m assuming it’s not been put up yet. Will keep checking

I love TRIP
Will be interested to hear what he says. When they've discussed gender in the past it's been tiptoed around. I think Alistair Campbell is quite TWAW

I gave up listening to TRIP because both presenters downplayed women’s concerns about the negative effects Gender Ideology and they were condescending about doing so. If they do take in anything that Seb Coe says it’ll probably be because he’s a man 😬

Yes, both presenters have previously been dismissive of the issues and iirc Campbell in particular dismissed critics of gender ideology as politically motivated and/or bigots. Totally incurious about why some of his own (former) party might have concerns. Seems a misogynistic twat, so agree he may listen to concerns voiced by a man.

Thanks for this info, will give it a listen.

From 53:54 minutes, this should take you to the right point.

Very brief bit, really. This is the transcript, c+p'd:

AC: Trans.
SC: yes
AC: difficult?
SC:

yes and no. yes and no um and I'm I'm trying not to oversimplify this or sound too brutal about it. I do ... my mandate gives me one very very clear responsibility well lots of clear responsibilities but one overarching one and that is protecting the female category. you have two categories in sport you have gender and you have age age because you assume it's better that that you haven't got Olympic
Champions competing against 16 year olds in the Grassmere Sports and gender because if you don't protect the female category then no woman will ever win another event so we have two issues that are quite complicated and complex one is something called SD which is differences of sexual development uh and and that is one Element trans is different and should not be confused with that and we the
Council made a judgment that the science around being able to have transgender athletes in that transitional phase um reducing their testosterone the science was not clear whether that would have any impact on the residual effect of going from male biology and Physiology to female biology and Physiology and at this point we've said we're not prepared to take that risk um and it's for only the Elite Sports so I will die in a ditch over the ability of transgender competitors to be involved in participatory sport we're talking about a very very few at the elite level and I have to protect the female category.

Clear as mud…

So he thinks TWAW. What a dick

“going from male biology and Physiology to female biology and Physiology”

omfg the ignorance

Oh fgs! Fudging off the charts. SC knows full well what will happen if you let men compete against women

if you don't protect the female category then no woman will ever win another event

but still wriggling around trying to find a way that doesn’t make them have to say no to shouty men

After what we’ve seen at the covid enquiry with a number of politicians apparently unable to ‘follow the science’ because they didn’t understand it, I do wonder if it’s the same - do they just not understand what us being explained to them? If so need to get Ross Tucker in!

of course their inability to not understand the science could be entirely deliberate….

I can't be arsed listening to this, because Campbell and Stewart have been so arrogant and dismissive of women's concerns about this issue. Bloody disappointing that Coe is just as rubbish. Thanks for the warning!

What absolute swinging bollocks.

science was not clear whether that would have any impact on the residual effect of going from male biology and Physiology to female biology and Physiology

• The evidence is absolutely and incontrovertibly clear - males are stronger, faster, have more efficient levers and other body structures, greater heart and lung capacity, heavier and stronger bones than females at every stage once testosterone has begun to increase in their bodies, regardless of the amount of testosterone actually circulating.

• Why does ' the science' need to prove that men have an advantage over women, in order to ban them from women's sport? Let the men-panderers find the sxience to prove men do NOT have any advantages before inserting them into women's sport.

• And <sigh> biology does not change. Physiology does not change.

and at this point we've said we're not prepared to take that risk um and it's for only the Elite Sports

• Why? Where does he suppose elites sportswomen come from?

so I will die in a ditch over the ability of transgender competitors to be involved in participatory sport

• Nobody is stopping male transgender competitors from participating in sport with other males in their sex category.

• Does he have the same attitude towards female transgender competitors? Where does he want them to play?

we're talking about a very very few

• How many is too many? How many is too few? Why do these numbers matter? Either it's fair to women or it's unfair.

at the elite level and I have to protect the female category.

• But it's OK for the women and girls in the non-elite female category to be put at risk of injury, have their access to sport reduced, and lose out on the podium places which lead to Elite status. How, exactly, are you protecting the female category?

I think the splinters in his bum are distracting him.

Just shows the tight grip that Stonewall etc have on all these powerful men to the extent they spout complete drivel like this rather than concisely state the scientific evidence & decades of data that underpins the need for women only sport.

Such a disappointment.

Totally gave up listening to them. They try and wrap their heads around all sorts of divisive and disagreeable subjects but on women’s rights they mumble and move on. At least take a stand. The fact they don’t dwell on it just testifies to how important they think the topic is.

They a just a pair of knobhead misogynists thinking women are complaining for nothing. Can’t bear to listen to them drone on now once the facade fell.

And Seb Coe clearly doesn’t care what happens to ordinary women entering sports and getting fit. tell me what the difference is from grass roots sport to elite level except money and fame? He wants to keep top female athletes on his side, throw the rest of women under the bus to battle it out with whichever TW want to play.

Yeah, well I couldn't even be arsed to fix the punctuation. Sorry!

They a just a pair of knobhead misogynists thinking women are complaining for nothing. Can’t bear to listen to them drone on now once the facade fell
This

'The fact they don’t dwell on it just testifies to how important they think the topic is.

They a just a pair of knobhead misogynists thinking women are complaining for nothing'

Yes I'm afraid you're right. Shame on the pair of them

He is surrounded by men.. on the board of the IAAF, at his gentlemen's club and in that interview. He cannot understand the postion of women because he doesn't see us.

Die in a ditch eh? Well it would leave a place free on the board....

It was disappointing. Surely athletics is separated by sex not gender! He was like a politician trying desperately not to offend the electorate or party! It’s a shame he wasn’t challenged on it as well.

“I will die in a ditch over the ability of transgender competitors to be involved in participatory sport”

Many people involved in elite sport only care about elite sport. Sounds like Seb Coe is one of them.

Did he mention safety in contact sports at all?