"Transphobic bullying is rife": 15 y/o trans boy's view of coming out at school

[ButterflyHatched]

A rare and refreshing example of the mainstream media actually publishing a young trans person's own words on the subject of their own existence and how the government's draft guidance is likely to affect the people it directly pertains to.

‘Transphobic bullying is rife’: a 15-year-old trans boy’s view of coming out at school | Transgender | The Guardian

An accusation of correct sexing (misgendering) and a statement that they doesn't understand compelled speech.

Between those two, something doesn't quite add up.

Interesting that the countries that are included in the list where being trans is illegal, also have a poor record of women's rights.

By interesting, I mean totally unsurprising.

I’ve made choices re: bodily autonomy that are similarly illegal in various countries (ie not actually illegal in most, but not socially acceptable and there is no way to legally obtain such modifications) but i don’t expect other people to put themselves out for my sake.

Doubt Hatch’s army dad would take me and my face, neck and hand tattoos to his stuffy old military old-boy events either!

It’s completely disingenuous to pretend you don’t understand the difference between ‘I don’t like being called X’ and ‘you had better call me X - whether I’m there or not - or I’ll have it registered as a hate crime/bullying and there will be consequences’.

But disingenuous is butterfly’s middle
name.

This is the 'Sex and Gender' discussion board on a forum that is as internationally renowned as a recruiting ground for anti-trans ideology as it is for advice on bringing up children

Er Bullshit.

The default here is that sex is biological reality and this has ALWAYS been the default. It is not 'recruiting' anything or anyone to state that sex is not gender.

Nor is stating that sex is not gender 'anti-trans'. This is a gross slur and defamatory.

Being pro women and girls IS ALLOWED and is NOT bigoted. It is necessary for our own interests which we are ALLOWED to put first rather than be doormats to an ideology that expects us to give up protections and rights and isn't remotely balanced.

I do take absolute exception to statements like this as they are targeted lies to smear and degrade women. They are sexist piffle.

Also from 2019, women - biological women - in half the countries in the world denied land and property rights, even where they can legally do so.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2019/03/25/women-in-half-the-world-still-denied-land-property-rights-despite-laws

or the 64 countries (in 2023) where homosexuality is illegal - and may actually be punishable by death. De jure illegal.

But apparently the real oppression we should all be worrying about is the 14 countries the ILGA could find where gender expression is sort of illegal.

And then bang on about the injustice of schools in the UK and how evil British women especially those on MN are, as our priority....

Well we’re pro women, and in the feminism section

Mn informed me of how insidious TRA captured ideology is for women and children so if more women read about it then good

The law is not on our side and we need to change it

And the purported woman and feminist OP lecturing us couldn't give a flying fuck about that, far too busy getting het up over supposed misgendering.

There is no such thing as misgendering.

Personally - I would disagree - I think the reverse actually, the child was in her last year of primary when she wanted to be a boy - so 11 yrs old very much should be the parents in charge at this age - I feel it is the parents who let her down by allowing her to go public with her decision.

If this was my child I would have said wait and see and if you still feel this way at 18 then you are an adult and can make your own choice.
The schools are only reacting to decisions made in the child's home life.
Telling your daughter that you can go in to school having socially transitioned and expecting everychild to accept you and not bully you is unrealistic and mentally damaging.
Bullying is not acceptable under any circumstances and schools should always have robust policies in place for bullies for all children. But deliberately allowing your child to make a decision at 11 years old that you as an adult can anticipate
Might cause them to be bullied and make them unhappy is very poor parenting.

Gosh, it's almost as if trans people aren't actually the most oppressed group globally, isn't it?

Certainly not in Malta, which was ranked No.1 in Europe for LGBT rights but where abortion is still illegal.

Yes. 130 million girls in the world are denied an education but apparently the worst thing possible is being ‘misgendered’ in a British school and not allowed to shower with the opposite sex.

Lol at someone who can't accurately define a woman not understanding the definition of compelled speech. 😂

The disconnect has been often pointed out.

Disengenous and narcissistic are the two words that spring to mind.

Why can’t a teen boy who is gay be allowed in with the girls if he’s at risk of bullying from the other boys?

What’s the difference between him and a transgirl? (Apart from, perhaps, their sexualities.)

Why can’t a boy at risk of racist bullying from the other boys change with the girls? What’s the difference between him and a transgirl? (Except from race or religion, possibly).

why can’t a disabled boy who is being targeted for bullying be in with the girls? What’s the difference between him and a trans girl? (Except for any additional needs, perhaps).

and if it’s not about bullying and safety what is it?

How can anyone be expected to change the law when those arguing for it have no answer to this basic question?

It's almost as if bullying is a separate issue which should be dealt with appropriately but isn't, because it's done by men. So it's easier just to dump the 'problem' of effeminate males onto women as not to upset the males.

WickedSerious didn’t gender you at all. “Misgendering” is an invented nonsense. None of us is wholly masculine or wholly feminine. Each of us is wholly male or wholly female. I’m told that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where is the evidence that you are female? And please don’t point me to artificial use of hormones or to plastic surgery.

@ButterflyHatched is it ok, in you opinion, to make all (or even any) open changing rooms mixed sex? If not, could you please explain why not?

I understand it’s a busy thread, and you may not have noticed this question before

You may not have noticed this question before. 🤣

I applaud your attempts to believe butterfly’s intentions are good.

Yes. Those too. The latter seemed to really chafe, while being then confirmed in post after post.

It would be great to finally get an answer for this.

Considering that even on this thread some of these vulnerable groups have been leveraged politically by that poster. Never, though, have I seen this question answered.

It is almost like only ‘certain’ aspects of those groups realities can be leveraged, the rest should be ignored completely. One aspect of their lives are useful for the emotional manipulation, the other aspects highlight the falsehoods.

Very inconvenient. Really it is.

I feel most comfortable in single sex female only (e.g. natal women only) spaces so how do we square the circle of people using the facilities they feel most comfortable in if for some people this is single sex but for others it is single gender?

I'm sometimes a bit slow on the uptake, but I've just noticed something that made me laugh. I think this is irony butterfly.

Irony Butterfly- love them especially In A Gadda Da Vida.