Guilty verdict in Brianna Ghey case

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/20/brianna-ghey-found-guilty-murder

Not a surprise - it felt very clear-cut.

How does ER's nan live in a 'relevant location' what does that mean?

I'm also wondering this. Our town has or had three separate specialised units- one for children between 14-16 who were a danger to others; one for children between 14-16 with school refusal due to personal issues, like anxiety; and one for girls who were pregnant or had babies

It's absolute madness to mix children who are too anxious for mainstream, with children excluded from mainstream for being dangerous to others.

The SEMH PRUS are often full, there just isnt anywhere for children with different needs, no specialist places, no PRU places etc

From what I have read the new school weren't told the full reason Scarlett was expelled. I'm not sure if that is usual (in a trying to give the expelled kid a fresh start way) but it can place other children at risk.

It is the continued desperation by a certain few to centre the entire case around the transgender status of the victim.

YY.

Watch the judge’s ruling, posted up thread, and all those questions are answered.

Funny, I watched it live and that question wasn't really answered, nor could it adequately be given that the answer is known to those two disturbed children alone.

Well I would be amazed if that is the case. But there will be a serious case review, this is always a requirement from a child death or serious harm to a child and Im sure all the details will be made clear then

And that won't solve a damn thing.

This is a problem involving ever increasing knife crime, Internet influences, poor mental health which just seems to be worsening with every generation and potentially issues around parenting for one.

How does ER's nan live in a 'relevant location' what does that mean?

I'm guessing @FriendOfTimo is suggesting that ER's granny lives in Suffolk, where the news article is from?

Sorry meant to quote @bellac11

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13040077/brianna-ghey-scarlett-jenkinson-school-poison-pupil.html

It's the mail, but reported elsewhere

Is it known if any of the other boys on her 'kill list' attended the inclusion unit?

I cant read the Mail due to ad blocker. Im not questioning that she was expelled, simply that when kids are transferred to other schools, a whole host of reports and assessments come with them. Usually.

The head says they weren't aware of all the details. From the Mail article:

But the pupil became unwell and needed hospital treatment after the attack, in September 2022, and Jenkinson was suspendedd^, being moved to nearby Birchwood Community High School to avoid permanent expulsion.
Yesterday it was claimed the school was not given the full details of the incident, including that the child had fallen ill or that the police had been called.
Birchwood head Emma Mills said: 'We were told it was a one-off incidentt^, where [Jenkinson] knew she'd made a mistake. There was nothing that raised a concern in terms of the information we were given

Was it something she had done several times? Not sure what is meant by one off incident,w hat incident is she referring to if she didnt know what happened? And I suppose children who lie will say 'I know I made a mistake'

Im assuming she knew Jenkinson tried to poison someone? Or perhaps not, is this about something different?

I imagine she is claiming they were told that she did it by accident.

Oh got you.

Did I read there was police involvement? Probably resulted in NFA

Yes I think the police were called and it looks like nothing came of it.

It is no surprise to me that a teenage boy with ASD in the thrall of another teenager would use the pronoun “it” in a WhatsApp chat about a fellow pupil. I know lot and lots of them. They can be blunt, rude, rigid. They can be oblivious. They can not see the logic in things, such as getting gender woo lessons at school and being told you have to refer to a male as “she”. I chatted to a teenage boy once who spent most of the conversation stuck on how ridiculous it was that you get a positive number when you multiply two negative numbers together.

The idea that a boy like this has been “conditioned by society” to use such language is so incredibly shallow. It’s just an example of how ideologists are convinced the world is going along with them and find it confronting when people aren’t, so there must be a nefarious reason.

You obviously haven’t watched the judgement as the judge talked about how she had considered this and concluded that he wasn’t in the thrall of anyone, and was expressing his own views.

It doesn’t matter what the judge thought. It’s my view on what I see with teenage boys when they’re interacting socially. And the word “thrall” is only one element of what I said. Even if he wasn’t, it still doesn’t alter the fact that there are many, many reasons why a boy like this would use such language, with “society’s transphobia” caused by such people as JKR and posters on Mumsnet being so far down the order it’s fallen off the page.

Well done on missing the point though.

She talked about societal influence as well (how he probably had picked up language from others, but that he was capable of forming his own opinions). Everything you’re saying was in the judgement.

Ok tell all that to ButterflyHatched and “journalists” like Zoe Williams who want to ignore the complexities of ASD teenage boys’ thought processes and put it all on women. Don’t tell me.

The idea that a boy like this has been “conditioned by society” to use such language is so incredibly shallow. It’s just an example of how ideologists are convinced the world is going along with them and find it confronting when people aren’t, so there must be a nefarious reason.

This, precisely.

Again, plenty of MNers engage in dehumanising language as evidenced by the "don't have children if you can't afford them" thread.

I don't agree with the whole "JKR and GC feminism is to blame!" rhetoric, I consider myself GC, but it's ludicrous to pretend that grown ass adults without any mental issues aren't also talking in this way about other human beings...
That is also a problem.