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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour MP Nadia Whittome

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MotherEarthisaTerf · 19/12/2023 15:57

https://www.huckmag.com/article/nadia-whittome-mp-bimini-bon-boulash-interview-conversation-transphobia-dalston-superstore

Labour MP Nadia Whittome
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Woman2023 · 19/12/2023 22:19

I think some of us Nottinghamites would like intelligent MPs, not young foolish ones.

LarkLane · 19/12/2023 22:36

From another thread.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12882237/Transgender-woman-45-dumped-soiled-adult-nappies-childrens-nurseries-stole-roll-clinical-waste-bags-local-business-hid-inside-bin-appears-court.html
Here's a lovely " queer " person for the MP to chat to. Perhaps she'd like to talk about the great fascination with nurseries and faeces this person has in Notts.

The defendant is charged with breaching a criminal behaviour order imposed by Nottinghamshire Magistrates' Court in April this year, by being within 10 metres of a nursery without reasonable excuse, and/or 'by removing items from a waste receptacle in direct contravention of said order

Woman who 'dumped soiled adult nappies at nurseries appears in court

Abbi Taylor, who also appeared on the court list as Martin Tarling, is accused of a series of nine charges between October 2022 and November 2023.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12882237/Transgender-woman-45-dumped-soiled-adult-nappies-childrens-nurseries-stole-roll-clinical-waste-bags-local-business-hid-inside-bin-appears-court.html

Cancelledcurio · 19/12/2023 22:45

Pretty sure it was Tara and pals who assaulted a female trade union rep on a picket line because she had recently had the audacity to go to a Woman's Place meeting. Yeah that was such a Trump thing eh, Nadia. Standing up on a picket line for better co ditions/pay and getting hassled and lamped by a big MALE in a dress bully becaus he had a grudge that you went to a GC event ? Nadia will listen to women she doesn't agree with. Unfortunately, she gets paid to do this.

Cancelledcurio · 19/12/2023 22:48

@LarkLane thankyou Abbi has just put me off some late evening snacking !!!!

LarkLane · 19/12/2023 22:58

@Cancelledcurio yes, I reckon you've got that right about Tara.

Sorry about ruining your digestion there, I was too pissed off to check if anyone was enjoying some well deserved snacks. My cast iron stomach will happily finish off anything you can't manage...

<looks hopeful of a Tunnock or two>

AlisonDonut · 19/12/2023 23:00

PrawnLiberationFront · 19/12/2023 20:31

Nottingham has a thriving and active queer community with significant support within the city, not sure why you'd imagine people in Nottingham East don't care. Do you think because it's a working class area there aren't any queer people who live there?

Nadia is my MP, she's lovely, very engaged with local issues, proactive and approachable and women in the city would be far far worse off and less well represented with a Tory MP.

What is 'queer'?

teawamutu · 20/12/2023 06:30

She thinks women who say sex is real and women's prisons should be female-only are transphobes. I wonder how lovely she'd be if, eg, Sarah from Brighton turned up in her surgery to ask for support on getting a women-only rape support group?

Labour MP Nadia Whittome
EasternStandard · 20/12/2023 07:12

teawamutu · 20/12/2023 06:30

She thinks women who say sex is real and women's prisons should be female-only are transphobes. I wonder how lovely she'd be if, eg, Sarah from Brighton turned up in her surgery to ask for support on getting a women-only rape support group?

She sounds like a zealot

An extremist, how lucky that the Labour Party has her

Impossiblenurse · 20/12/2023 07:27

LarkLane · 19/12/2023 22:36

From another thread.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12882237/Transgender-woman-45-dumped-soiled-adult-nappies-childrens-nurseries-stole-roll-clinical-waste-bags-local-business-hid-inside-bin-appears-court.html
Here's a lovely " queer " person for the MP to chat to. Perhaps she'd like to talk about the great fascination with nurseries and faeces this person has in Notts.

The defendant is charged with breaching a criminal behaviour order imposed by Nottinghamshire Magistrates' Court in April this year, by being within 10 metres of a nursery without reasonable excuse, and/or 'by removing items from a waste receptacle in direct contravention of said order

Terribly unsettling incidents. However, this is not Nottingham. Yay small wins.

distinctpossibility · 20/12/2023 07:36

@Impossiblenurse

The defendant is breaching a Nottinghamshire court order

The defendant is charged with breaching a criminal behaviour order imposed by Nottinghamshire Magistrates' Court in April this year, by being within 10 metres of a nursery without reasonable excuse, and/or 'by removing items from a waste receptacle in direct contravention of said order'.

DewHopper · 20/12/2023 07:58

LarkLane · 19/12/2023 22:36

From another thread.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12882237/Transgender-woman-45-dumped-soiled-adult-nappies-childrens-nurseries-stole-roll-clinical-waste-bags-local-business-hid-inside-bin-appears-court.html
Here's a lovely " queer " person for the MP to chat to. Perhaps she'd like to talk about the great fascination with nurseries and faeces this person has in Notts.

The defendant is charged with breaching a criminal behaviour order imposed by Nottinghamshire Magistrates' Court in April this year, by being within 10 metres of a nursery without reasonable excuse, and/or 'by removing items from a waste receptacle in direct contravention of said order

Just throw the key away.

WickedSerious · 20/12/2023 10:06

Thick as mince.

DrBlackbird · 20/12/2023 10:07

That tweet is chilling to the bone. Absolute intolerance of other viewpoints? In need of reeducation? If refuses to toe the party line, then expel? To where, Siberia? These views would sit well in a Stalinist Soviet Union. These young genderists are amongst the most intolerant in our society. It is worrying when they have positions of political power.

Labour MP Nadia Whittome
LarkLane · 20/12/2023 10:12

Impossiblenurse · 20/12/2023 07:27

Terribly unsettling incidents. However, this is not Nottingham. Yay small wins.

I'd say they were more than terribly unsettling incidents or a Yay small win for Nottingham. What silly minimising comments.

As @distinctpossibility pointed out, and if you read my quote properly - this pervert was in breach of a Nottinghamshire order, for criminal behaviour around a children's nursery.

So must have been in the County at some point, and is now up in the North East perving around nurseries, with a very concerning m.o.
Still free to roam around somewhere else, or to disappear off the radar, or worse.

I'd be very keen for Nadia Whittome to spend time in the company of this extremely disturbed and dangerous ime Nottinghamshire offender. I'd like to see her try to tell her constituents how kind they should be to this potentially criminally insane nonce in a frock.

So many men now blatantly taking advantage of piss poor legislation, and happy-shiny-look-the-other-way people like this MP.

FrancescaContini · 20/12/2023 10:16

teawamutu · 20/12/2023 06:30

She thinks women who say sex is real and women's prisons should be female-only are transphobes. I wonder how lovely she'd be if, eg, Sarah from Brighton turned up in her surgery to ask for support on getting a women-only rape support group?

Nadia’s use of language is that of a religious/political zealot: unrepentant..should be expelled…what an intolerable, intolerant woman with her “queer joy” 🤷‍♀️

Rightsraptor · 20/12/2023 10:24

Someone up thread says Whittome is 'lovely'.

Strangely, I don't see 'lovely' as a necessary or even a desirable characteristic for an MP.

MargotBamborough · 20/12/2023 10:33

Nadia is the one who said that people who don't agree with the party line on TWAW should be re-educated and if they fail to change their minds they should be expelled from the Labour Party.

I'm not sure she has quite understood how democracy works.

MargotBamborough · 20/12/2023 10:36

pickledandpuzzled · 19/12/2023 16:39

Fascinating. I loathe trump and Boris and was shocked at their popularity. Also loathe the transing of children and the invasion of women’s spaces- sports, prisons, awards categories and yea toilets.

All at the same time. I’m a massively deep and complicated person, me. Must be the duplication of XX.

It's precisely because I loathe Trump and Boris and the Tories and all the rest of it that I am so angry with Labour and the rest of the political left for putting me in a situation where I have to vote for a party which doesn't believe women deserve to exist as their own standalone category or have any single sex spaces or sports, or not vote at all.

RebelliousCow · 20/12/2023 10:42

teawamutu · 19/12/2023 20:16

To paraphrase a quote I've nicked from somewhere else on MN; she's one of those who've bought their values as a package deal right off the shelf, and never actually bothered her arse to think about them.

And a large part of that is to do with her youth and lack of experience. Weren't we all ideallists and 'progressive' radicals once? Then we lived some life and learned to stop banging our head against the wall in the forlorn hope it would transform into a fluffy pillow - with enough dedication, and some group consciousness raising, on our part.

Thatfeatherthere · 20/12/2023 10:45

PrawnLiberationFront · 19/12/2023 20:31

Nottingham has a thriving and active queer community with significant support within the city, not sure why you'd imagine people in Nottingham East don't care. Do you think because it's a working class area there aren't any queer people who live there?

Nadia is my MP, she's lovely, very engaged with local issues, proactive and approachable and women in the city would be far far worse off and less well represented with a Tory MP.

What exactly do you mean by queer?

Being 'lovely, engaged, proactive and approachable' is just a list of words. It means nothing.

As an ex resident of Nottingham, she wouldn't have represented me or my views on this subject. As a female, I'm better off when my safeguarding is taken seriously. Duckeh.

MargotBamborough · 20/12/2023 10:50

PermanentTemporary · 19/12/2023 17:51

I do think polls usually show that a higher proportion of lesbians than any other category support trans rights, defined as the right to be legally and socially recognised as the opposite sex. I don't know what proportion of female lesbians are in relationships with male people.

I also think it's important to hold in mind that what I would call strong GC views (sex is immutable and unchangeable and should always be the basis of law and policy compared with gender) is also a minority viewpoint. I'm in that minority. I believe it's possible to support trans rights including the right to their own sex.

There are a few problems with this.

One problem is that it's not clear whether participation in those polls is limited to actual lesbians, i.e. biologically female people who are exclusively sexually attracted to other biologically female people. If people who are biologically male or who have sex with biologically male people are responding to that poll as "lesbians", it's not difficult to see why this group appears to be strongly in favour of "trans rights". I would like one of these polls to be conducted where the category of "lesbians" is limited to biologically female people who are only sexually attracted to other biologically female people and see whether that changes the results at all.

I would also say that a "female lesbian" who is in a relationship with a male person is not actually a lesbian, she is either heterosexual or bisexual. Some people consider this approach to be gate keeping, but I think some gate keeping is important here. If you allow anyone to identify as a lesbian then the people who are actually lesbians according to the original meaning no longer have a word to describe themselves.

I'm also not sure that holding strongly gender critical views is a "minority viewpoint". I think that people who describe themselves as gender critical are very definitely in a minority. But there is a large group of people who will say that they are in favour of trans rights and do not agree with the gender critical viewpoint, but then become remarkably gender critical when you dig down into the detail.

"Yes, trans rights are human rights and of course trans women are women. It is really unkind to describe them as male. What's that? Should they be allowed to compete in women's sports? Oh, well, no I don't think so. That would be unfair, wouldn't it? But in all other situations they should be, it's important to be kind. Oh, Karen White and Isla Bryson? No, clearly they shouldn't be placed in women's prisons, that's really dangerous for female prisoners. But the fact that some people have abused the system doesn't mean that we should tar all trans people with the same brush. We just need to have proper safeguarding in place, that's all. What's that? Rape crisis groups? I don't see the problem. Surely as long as trans people are also provided for they can have different groups for biologically female survivors and for trans survivors. Oh, that's not allowed? Well...I don't agree with that. Toilets though, everyone needs to stop making such a fuss about toilets. You wouldn't go to all the trouble of having your penis removed just to gain access to women's toilets, that would be absurd. Oh, most of them don't actually have their penises removed? I didn't know that. Well only the ones who have had their penises removed should be allowed in women's toilets and changing rooms. How can we tell who has had their penis removed and who hasn't? Well, I don't know. I hadn't thought about that."

Bam. This person is gender critical.

And this person is, according to the YouGov polls, most people.

TrainedByCats · 20/12/2023 10:51

Why do so many Labour MPs have contempt for voters concerns and make so many public statements dismissing those they disagree with as bigots?

Even as a very working class teenager just starting to take notice of politics I noticed how dismissive Labour activists seemed to be of working class people.

Tory MP’s no doubt have just as much contempt but they seem to just ignore those they disagree with rather than insult us

MargotBamborough · 20/12/2023 10:54

PrawnLiberationFront · 19/12/2023 20:31

Nottingham has a thriving and active queer community with significant support within the city, not sure why you'd imagine people in Nottingham East don't care. Do you think because it's a working class area there aren't any queer people who live there?

Nadia is my MP, she's lovely, very engaged with local issues, proactive and approachable and women in the city would be far far worse off and less well represented with a Tory MP.

Yes, that's lovely and everything, but people who aren't "queer" also deserve to have political representation by someone who actually cares about their needs. Such as female rape survivors who need single sex rape crisis support but are denied it because everything must be trans inclusive now. I'm sure they're thrilled that the "queer community" is thriving though, that will more than make up for the fact that they can't get the help they need.

MargotBamborough · 20/12/2023 10:55

TrainedByCats · 20/12/2023 10:51

Why do so many Labour MPs have contempt for voters concerns and make so many public statements dismissing those they disagree with as bigots?

Even as a very working class teenager just starting to take notice of politics I noticed how dismissive Labour activists seemed to be of working class people.

Tory MP’s no doubt have just as much contempt but they seem to just ignore those they disagree with rather than insult us

Yes, I mean the Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy debacle was in 2010, FFS. And then we had Brexit.

Surely they'd have learned by now that calling people bigots isn't an effective way to win hearts and minds.

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