Labour MP Nadia Whittome

[MotherEarthisaTerf]

https://www.huckmag.com/article/nadia-whittome-mp-bimini-bon-boulash-interview-conversation-transphobia-dalston-superstore

I like some things in that interview. I like that for 26 years we have had out lesbians in the HoC and I'm glad that Nadia is there. And I like this quote from Bimini:

'At the centre of all of this is fragile masculinity. This idea that masculinity is the be-all and end-all of power and that femininity is weaker than the man. Anything that threatens man’s status has to be kind of eradicated and destroyed.'

Yes, 100%. The idea that men presenting in a different way is inherently bad or feminine or female is wrong.

Do we actually know that lesbians are more supportive of trans right, or is it just assumed that they’ll roll over and be compliant handmaidens?

Define "lesbians"...

Yes

The bloke in a wig identifies as a lesbian and he's in favour of trans rights. Maybe that's the sort of lesbian she means.

we know that lesbians are more supportive of trans rights than any other demographic

Well it’s a shame that support isn’t given back to lesbians when they’re accused of being sexual racists for not wanting sex with TW.

I do think polls usually show that a higher proportion of lesbians than any other category support trans rights, defined as the right to be legally and socially recognised as the opposite sex. I don't know what proportion of female lesbians are in relationships with male people.

I also think it's important to hold in mind that what I would call strong GC views (sex is immutable and unchangeable and should always be the basis of law and policy compared with gender) is also a minority viewpoint. I'm in that minority. I believe it's possible to support trans rights including the right to their own sex.

The lesbians I know are in favour of trans rights but they always seem to be thinking of trans men. Or one trans woman that they know who seems lovely.

sex is immutable and unchangeable and should always be the basis of law and policy compared with gender

Where are you drawing it’s a minority view from?

Trump is blamed for everything on earth Lol. I won’t vote Labour. This country is actually likely to become like the shit show that is the US in relation to that issue.

These lesbians, supportive of trans rights...do they possess their own penises by any chance?

She's such a disappointment.

I also think it's important to hold in mind that what I would call strong GC views (sex is immutable and unchangeable and should always be the basis of law and policy compared with gender) is also a minority

Like fuck it's a minority viewpoint.

I think the idea that biological sex is real, immutable and important is an extreme majority viewpoint. In surveys that are well written and which carefully define their terms you also get about 60%+ in the UK not wanting trans people bullied or discriminated against at work and to have the freedom to express themselves as they wish. That number declines rapidly the moment you start asking about TW in women's sports, changing rooms, rape shelters and prisons mainly because most people aren't daft.

"It was an unholy alliance being made between people who call themselves feminists and the Trumpian Right. I think if your views are supported by the likes of Viktor Orbán and Vladimir Putin, you should really think about that."

Is Vladimir Putin right wing now?

I can tell you why things took off in 2018. In April 2018 Tara Wolf was convicted of assaulting Maria MacLachlan at Hyde Park Corner the previous September, and that got a lot of mainstream publicity. The fact that women were having to meet at Hyde Park Corner to be given the address of a meeting that was too risky to share with them in advance, was the result of two of Venice Allan's earlier events being cancelled in the London Borough of Lewisham because the venues were pressured into cancelling the bookings. Women were being denied the opportunity to discuss issues that affected them.

The video footage of the assault was widely viewed and it became apparent that the threat of 'I punch TERFs' seen on the t-shirts of American TRAs was not in fact a hyperbolic slogan on the other side of the Atlantic but had become a very real threat in the UK.

"It was an unholy alliance being made between people who call themselves feminists and the Trumpian Right. I think if your views are supported by the likes of Viktor Orbán and Vladimir Putin, you should really think about that."

What a load of nonsense. If a woman says you can’t change sex and we want single sex spaces it’s got bog all to do with these men.

She is a frightening combination of low IQ with brainwashed, dogged fanaticism and complete lack of any critical thinking skills. She scares me.

She speaks in cliche and slogans, so comes across as reading from a script and not demonstrating any real understanding or insight.

Then in 2018 I really started noticing this wave of transphobia creeping in. It was being dressed up in the language of feminism, and women’s rights and even lesbian rights when we know that lesbians are more supportive of trans rights than any other demographic.

Isnt she saying here that trans people arent lesbians? Shes certainly sees then as distinct groups.

To paraphrase a quote I've nicked from somewhere else on MN; she's one of those who've bought their values as a package deal right off the shelf, and never actually bothered her arse to think about them.

High on her own farts.

I can only assume she is wilfully blind to some of the extremely unsavoury examples of 'unmoderated queer joy' which we could all describe. Stupid, dangerous woman.

Nottingham has a thriving and active queer community with significant support within the city, not sure why you'd imagine people in Nottingham East don't care. Do you think because it's a working class area there aren't any queer people who live there?

Nadia is my MP, she's lovely, very engaged with local issues, proactive and approachable and women in the city would be far far worse off and less well represented with a Tory MP.

Nonsense.

What do they need to be 'liberated' from?

It’s assumed that the ‘right’ type of lesbians roll over and are happy to date/sleep with bepenised women.

Also Nottingham living, working and breathing, and I do not approve this message. If you thought you were speaking for all women in Nottingham East ...sorry dukki you are not.

I suppose it seems likely to me that more lesbians are naturally focused on the rights of transmen, rather than transwomen. But since we aren't allowed to talk about female and male trans people as separate groups, and it's made as difficult as possible to even see them as separate groups with distinct needs, even articulating that would be disapproved of.