Miriam Cates under investigation

[Arealnumber]

Why has Miriam Cates suddenly gone under investigation? The comments in The Times are usually highly supportive of the MPs that speak out against Gender Ideology but they're properly railing against her. What has been her downfall?

You want me to name a tiny class? And what out myself, and my family and friends who work in universities in senior positions. No thank you. You choose not to believe me, that is not my concern. I have been searching with different teens for courses over the past years, those courses are out there and they aren’t necessarily ‘specialised’ either as you attempt to position them

Naming a course isn't going to "out" you, don't be ridiculous, you can't name these courses because fundamentally, they do not exist or not in the numbers that are causing financial issues for Uni's, of course they are specialised or they'd attract higher numbers, vast majority have stopped offering truly off beat courses, is there more to do? yes doubtless, but its not the cause of financial distress.

So only Australia charges its students so much to study, lets look at more comparable economies? across europe for example.

Its unbelievable you (working in the sector) support forcing students to leave with such high levels of debt and as Cates proves, its not a "Left vs Right" issue, its what works, what boosts UK Plc, is right for our children and more Govt funding and less debt (not a return to free Uni education) is better for all, esp in health, where a different funding system would mean our medics aren't leaving the UK and the UK isn't poaching HCP's from dev countries.

There may be more deeply conservative parts of the country than North Shropshire, but it will be a close run thing. The last Tory candidate struggled in small part because he was not from the area, living 40miles away.

We all know what happened in that by-election and North Shropshire is now blessed with an interested liberal MP who works hard for her constituents.

Have you actually read my posts?

Some subjects are highly specialised, we as a country will need no more than a few 100 graduates per year, where would we get them otherwise?

I’d be very surprised if this sort of specialisation occurred at undergraduate level. Perhaps someone can give an example?

There were 6 of us on my undergraduate course and 7 universities where the course was offered. I won't say what the course was for obvious reasons.

Thanks. Actually I did find a few, they looked quite interesting. I liked the look of Theatre Practice (puppetry) and Contemporary Circus and Physical Performance.

Which did Sunak study?
Clearly he is a puppet and his government a circus...

Google is your friend.

But pointless. It appears that you are not able to see any good in any Tory politician. But equally unable to see problems with the Labour party approach, especially on the issue of women's rights.

Blind loyalty might be required in Labour and Duffield might need to be punished as a heretic, but it does not generate huge optimism about a future Labour Government.

Trust me I am seeing much good in Cleverly today.

I have many friends, although oddly none of them are called googe.

Yes. It seems to be the case of some posters. They then don’t seem to be able to read posts.

There are plenty of courses that are small in the UK. My teen is looking at numerous and not even counting the Oxbridge courses. Some undergrad courses are necessarily small, some could be taught with a flexible approach of some units combined before specialising. And some are unnecessarily small and could be offerred with a more flexible delivery this increasing the intake size.

There are plenty of options to configure courses to be more efficient but it seems that this is a controversial opinion. I think you have nailed it though needmoresleep in a much more forthright manner. Thanks.

All uni courses are set to get smaller, if Cates gets her way with assistance from Cleverly to ensure women know thier place.

That's hilarious
Criticise a Conservative, must mean blind loyalty to Labour

Wild opinion!

In Labour we have constant debates and argument re: policy positions at Branch, Constituency, Regional and National level.

If members left over every policy disagreement they’d be none left at all!

Very few MPs of any party have left to sit as independents, at least not in my living memory. Bit more common in the Lords, but switching party obvs doesn’t affect their seats.

Perhaps it is not such a core value of Cates to support women as I had been led to believe.

I was always under the impression that Cates’ focus was children and child safeguarding (she’s a former secondary school teacher) rather than feminism?

Maybe you just got her mixed up with someone else?

https://www.miriamcates.org.uk/miriam-cates-mp

I was led to believe the reason she said that women shouldn't go to university is because of the amount of debt they would get into, and not because she like those she was talking to believe that they know where a woman's place is. But perhaps she isn't actually all that interested in it after all.

There are lots of aspects to pushing back against the Gender Borg, not all involved are coming at it from radical feminism. I think that’s a good thing, personally, otherwise we’d all just be preaching to the choir.

As a working class person i don’t think non-vocational degrees are much use to men OR women.

Sadly, an arts degree without a pre existing professional address book or family money to support your internship is largely pointless when it comes to financial success (enjoyable for self improvement but you can always do that in your twilight years, no need to have 45 grand worth of debt by 21).

I say this as someone with two pointless arts degrees, albeit from a time when fees were minimal. I graduated in the early 2000s and haven’t even started paying my student loan off yet 🙈

She didn't say that women shouldn't go to university. She seemed to suggest that the a university education, and the associated massive debts, might not be in the best interests of many young people, both male and female. This is a position shared by many on the left as well as the right.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2019/08/the-great-university-con-how-the-british-degree-lost-its-value

I don't often hear people describe their two degrees as "pointless". That is really sad after you put so much effort into it. 😞

She didn't say that women shouldn't go to university. She seemed to suggest that the a university education, and the associated massive debts, might not be in the best interests of many young people, both male and female. This is a position shared by many on the left as well as the right

Yet the reason students are in so much debt is down to her and her own parties policies.

From the very same New statesman Journal, no mention of tiny classes being the issue... funny that!
https://www.newstatesman.com/thestaggers/2022/08/international-students-problem-higher-education-underfunded

But if UK degrees are so worthless, why do so many foreign students want a UK degree?

Doubtless some are but when my DD missed out on a 1st by 1 pt, she was given very little option to challenge it & rightly so, that was just 3 years ago.

It is therefore odd that she is prepared to support a government that put in place the system that ensures that students end up with massive debts.

Higher education faces a massive funding challenge as I am sure you well know.
The fees that universities can charge to home students has not risen since 2017, and then only a small amount from their 2012 level.
The government through its actions has hugely increased the costs that universities face, so universities are left with little choice but to find alternative sources of income, to subsidise UK students. Be that overseas fees income - although there is little evidence of an increase in their numbers at present, more short courses with high charges - happening, and revenue from non-teaching activities such as accomodation.

It is strange that someone such as Cates who is apparently so concerned about student debt hasn't spoken more on the subject.

So it's your belief that every member of every party supports every single policy that their party has ever supported. Fine. Go ahead and believe that. Just don't expect intelligent people to waste their time trying to explain to you why this is utter nonsense.

And you believe that intelligent ambitious people go into politics because they want to toe a party line in its entirety. That people do not want to use the diversity of their experience to lobby, within and sometimes without of their party for issues that are important to them.

Beginning to sound a lot like China.

Fear not, I am assured that it is perfectly possible for members of a political party to attend events where they do not support the views of others attending the event.
I guess this also applies to But Jeremy Corbyn when he attends an event also attended by members of a terrorist organisation?