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WarriorN · 19/12/2023 08:21

Which is problematic too to be honest but if it keeps a girl safer than going into the boy's, it will have to be the way.

InefficientProcess · 19/12/2023 08:21

Tbh, I doubt the boys toilets in DS’s secondary school even have urinals. The toilets have an entirely wall into the corridor, so both boys and girls just have cubicles.

His dad and I were horrified about the toilets really. And also what it says about behaviour and safety generally that the school have opted for toiletopticons.

Still doesn’t mean that the toilets shouldn’t just be sex based. And the disabled toilets for disabled people.

InefficientProcess · 19/12/2023 08:22

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 08:21

Which is problematic too to be honest but if it keeps a girl safer than going into the boy's, it will have to be the way.

She just needs to use the female toilets. That’s what will keep her safer.

Thingybob · 19/12/2023 08:23

InefficientProcess · 19/12/2023 08:22

She just needs to use the female toilets. That’s what will keep her safer.

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But then she wouldn't be special and her dad wouldn't get an interview on Radio 4

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 08:24

How many school girls ‘feel like a girl’ anyway? I have never understood ‘womaning’ to be honest. I certainly can’t even begin to know what ‘feeling like a boy’ is.

AlisonDonut · 19/12/2023 08:25

Imnobody4 · 18/12/2023 21:37

Awful piece on Sky News
https://news.sky.com/story/liverpool-school-makes-up-own-positive-transgender-policy-ahead-of-government-guidance-13033487

A school has said it is not going to change its policy on transgender pupils despite new government guidance on how teachers should support children who question their gender identity.
Chesterfield High School in Liverpool - a mixed comprehensive with 1,600 pupils with about 30 of them identifying as transgender, non-binary or genderfluid - has said it has made up its own policy while waiting for government guidance.

"I'm not going to change what has worked for our school for the last 10 years," Kevin Sexton, its executive headteacher, told Sky News.

His argument seemed to be that if they don't keep up the social transitioning, the kids wont attend school.

Probably best thing for them, not attending your school mate. As you seem happy to lead kids down a very dark path.

EasternStandard · 19/12/2023 08:26

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 08:24

How many school girls ‘feel like a girl’ anyway? I have never understood ‘womaning’ to be honest. I certainly can’t even begin to know what ‘feeling like a boy’ is.

It’s such a bizarre thing the laws have introduced for children

We should have concentrated on giving more flexibility to what a girl or boy can be and do

But not change sex

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 08:26

I wonder if dad need disabled loos (if he has accessibility issues)?

How would he feel if he needed to use the loos and found himself at the end of a queue of able bodied ‘gender neutral’ people who declared their need greater than his because they have been told constantly how special they are?

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 08:31

Quite. He contradicted himself

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 08:33

I'm not going to change what has worked for our school for the last 10 years," Kevin Sexton, its executive headteacher, told Sky News

I'll bet he will change it pdq as soon as the first lawsuit rolls in.

bellac11 · 19/12/2023 08:35

Just swap any of this for social contagion eating disorders and see how it reads. Teachers witnessing children encouraging other children to eat less, throw away their lunch, join slimming clubs, vomiting up their food and not telling parents because they identify as fat.

TaytoCheeseandOnion · 19/12/2023 08:38

How the fuck have we gotten to a place where concerned parents, who see their likely vulnerable kids have been taken in by a movement that thinks it is totally fine and normal for kids to take drugs for life and remove healthy body parts because of some inner gendered essence. How can teachers think this ia a totally normal choice for a child, but think that parents to take measures to protect them are the ones at fault.

KIDS BEING PUT ON PATHWAYS THAT COULD SEE THEM REMOVE HEALTHY BODY PARTS IS NOT NORMAL AND SHOULD ONLY EVER HAPPEN IN THE VERY RARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE GENDER DYSPHORIA IS VERY EXTREME. We should always be trying to find the solution for the child that has the least intervention, not clapping them along the path to life long medication.

NeedToKnow101 · 19/12/2023 08:47

R4 Today also.. their 8am news has a clip of a person clearly on testosterone (helium squeak) saying how the new guidance could be harmful. FFS like the testosterone isn't! BBC just can't be impartial can they?

The dad was clearly an activist, not just a dad.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 08:57

Yes the voice is clearly not ‘natural’. I assume this is a byproduct of taking drugs rather than vocal training?

InefficientProcess · 19/12/2023 09:00

AlisonDonut · 19/12/2023 08:25

His argument seemed to be that if they don't keep up the social transitioning, the kids wont attend school.

Probably best thing for them, not attending your school mate. As you seem happy to lead kids down a very dark path.

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This is ridiculous logic. Is the guy also one of those Disney dads?

If we don’t buy the kids stuff all the time, they’ll stop coming. If we tell them off or set boundaries, they’ll stop coming. if we ask them to pick up their clothes, they’ll stop coming.

Does he apply the same logic to homework? Behaviour? No. I bet the teachers still set homework. I bet they still enforce rules. They find ways to manage things in the best interests of all the children.

But mention gender identity and all sense goes out the window!

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 09:04

I wonder if a sign saying ‘unisex’ would be acceptable. Because I think it wouldn’t be.

It’s all just words and fluff.

InefficientProcess · 19/12/2023 09:06

Perhaps controversially, I’m not sure that the removal of healthy body parts to treat dysphoria is a good idea for anyone. No matter how extreme the dysphoria.

It’s so weird how the #bekinders are so keen to implicitly ramp up the stigmatisation of mental illness by insisting that gender dysphoria should not be treated as a mental illness. Instead, it is both who the person really is and requires medical and surgical treatment (plus the collusion of everyone else in maintaining this essential core of someone’s being).

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 09:16

How schools deal with trans Nicky Campbell now www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4966161-how-schools-deal-with-trans-nicky-campbell-now

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 09:17

InefficientProcess · 19/12/2023 09:06

Perhaps controversially, I’m not sure that the removal of healthy body parts to treat dysphoria is a good idea for anyone. No matter how extreme the dysphoria.

It’s so weird how the #bekinders are so keen to implicitly ramp up the stigmatisation of mental illness by insisting that gender dysphoria should not be treated as a mental illness. Instead, it is both who the person really is and requires medical and surgical treatment (plus the collusion of everyone else in maintaining this essential core of someone’s being).

They don't treat other types of body dysphoria/ dysmorphia in this way.

It's all cbt and intensive therapy to tackle the underlying issues and views of their body

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 09:25

A mother of a young child is describing their 'trans daughter' (5) and how she worked with the school to get books etc in....

Argh.

Daughter came out aged 3.

Fml

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 09:27

On Nicky Campbell

Mother says she's open to it being a phase, but has completely affirmed.

"My heart is pink." Said child in nursery.

They apparently discussed he has a boys body but they've allowed the child to "lead."

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 09:27

When I was at school, my sisters year had self harmers (mostly girls) who would swoon around with scratches on their wrists (nothing actually ‘harmful’ - more melodrama) and my year had goths.

Our eldest sister - fashion was for denim denim and more denim, my brother - long hair and distressed jeans, another sister - David Bowie and glam rock.

These were the tribes du jour.

School wasn’t handing out razor blades (or rather pencil sharpener blades), perm lotion, or black eyeliner.

Why are teachers now so involved in the lives of the children they interact with for a few hours a week (in a group). They aren’t therapists, psychologists or the parents of these kids.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 19/12/2023 09:29

I recently had a conversation with someone on a random FB post who had a non binary 5yr old.
I was horrified and told her so.
It was literally based on clothes and toys.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 09:30

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 09:25

A mother of a young child is describing their 'trans daughter' (5) and how she worked with the school to get books etc in....

Argh.

Daughter came out aged 3.

Fml

So her child didn’t want to wear kink and is a tomboy? That’s my sister.

Thank god my parents bought her the action man and trainers, let her wear what she wanted and get her long hair cut.

Are these parents so scared of having gay children? Or just in thrall of having a ‘special’ child. A few years ago they would have had ‘indigo’ children. And who has one of these nowadays?

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 09:33

No - I should have put "daughter" in quotes.

Son decided he was a girl at 3.

They and the school affirmed