Enjoying films I couldn't see made now.

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Specifically "Some like it hot" and one part of "Crocodile Dundee". Both on this week.

A lot of the Disney films carry that "It was wrong then, and it was wrong now" message just a ass covering exercise I think. Certainly any of the seventies ones
We watched an old Mickey mouse one called Santa's workshop and I wasn't sure why it carried that warning. Wasn't obvious anyway. I thought possibly one of the elves had the classic 'elf' visuals which could be considered 'Jewish' or the fact there were dwarfs like the seven dwarves in it, or that Santa had a booming laugh and could have been voiced by a black voice actor but not sure. These all required the audience to make those tenuous links so I would imagine that shows racism in the audience rather than the content but what do I know.

No apologies for the raging continual misogyny in every single Disney till the early noughties though (and then disappeared around 2010) so we know women hating and stereotypes still fine.

Danny says to the other greasers that he lettered in track.

Yes, as I remember, he says that they mean a lot to him but so does Sandy hence the jacket.

@ApocalipstickNow "it has Brian Blessed" Didn't he have wings in it? That was the era that Brian Blessed seemed to be in every second thing. I'm going to have to re-watch "Flash Gordon". And talk of BB makes me think of watching "I, Claudius" again for the 100th time. He made a surprising, and excellent, Augustus, and Henry V, (so effective) and the "Aphrodite Inheritance", and... off to IMDb to get a list.

@StarlightLime most of them do now. Aladdin does as I watched it the other day.

I recently watched tropic thunder for the first time and I was shocked tbh.

I can't remember what it's called but the film with Matt Damon and other similarly famous people and they are puppets. I think they sing "America fuck yeah" and about full blown aids. I didn't really like it at the time so have never watched it fully but my male friends at the time all found it hilarious.

Og James bond. Watched Goldfinger yesterday where he slaps the girls bum and says it's time for men's talk

Team America.

It is hilarious because of it's deliberate inappropriate humour. It's made by the people who do South Park so I reckon they'd still get away with that these days, South Park is still going strong and they take the piss out of everyone and everything.

I had a WTF moment today when I couldn't find Peter Pan on Disney plus. Turns out it has been removed from the children's profiles because it is bad and wrong. Had to sign out of the kids profile and into mine, and then sit through a 15 second notice about how bad and wrong it was and is. FFS.

I just finished reading the entire thread and no one else mentioned James bond og films
Anyone else watch it and think it would not fly today?

Fr? What reason was given for Peter Pan being bad and wrong?

Depictions of the Native Americans I would guess.

I think it's understood that it's perfectly OK for there to be films that 'would not be made now' and to enjoy films that 'would not be made now' unless they are really grotesquely offensive; on the whole people aren't demanding the banning of such films or that we pretend they don't exist; just that we watch with a critical eye perhaps, or we may have to explain things to younger people.

I think lots of films, up to quite recently, have tropes that I think we don't see any more because they're rightly not considered appropriate, eg gratuitous sex scenes that are nothing to do with the plot (OK, that's also because porn is so easily available so you don't have to put titilating stuff in mainstream films to meet that need) https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211029-why-hollywood-is-shunning-sex and I'm glad to say I think filmmakers have come to realise how unhealthy and harmful the 'Hero-kisses-without-permission-or-warning-the-woman-who-says-she-hates-him-and-she-gives-in-and-sleeps-with-him-because-she-fancied-him-all-along' trope is.

@Leah5678 Fr? What reason was given for Peter Pan being bad and wrong?

Doesn't he steal kids out of their bedroom? Not ideal 😂

@SirSamVimesCityWatch yes that's the one! I don't know why I didn't like it because I do love offensive humour but that one wasn't for me. Love South Park. You're right - there's loads of stuff still in the same vein so it probably would be fine.

If you think the old James Bond films are bad, read the books! As a naive early teenager with almost no sense of what and wasn’t right I got one out of my grandparents’ loft and almost immediately found it unacceptable. Even the more recent ones are pretty awful, there’s a scene in I think Casino Royale or maybe the next one where a raped woman is sitting clothed in a shower and sex ends up happening. That’s awful.

That Bond scene is truly awful.

Team America is fantastic- Kim Jong Il’s panthers are a work of genius.

Airplane.....when the little lad is being shown the cockpit. The pilot asks him has he ever seen a grown man naked? So wrong it's funny.

It feels shocking now because we are being told its shocking. Back then it was just funny. I worry for the future.

Nah, that scene in Airplane was funny because it was wrong. Even then.

The airplane scene is obviously written to be inappropriate - that's why it's funny. The 'have you ever" questions ramp up from innocuous (have you ever been in a cockpit before?) and then start getting dodgy (you ever hang around the gymnasium?) to full on complete inappropriate with "have you ever seen a grown man naked?". It's also reacted to by Kareem Abdul Jabbar when he tries to send the boy back to his seat.

Airplane is an absolute work of genius. Nothing in there is accidental! It's a shame it gets bowdlerized when shown these days. They cut the two kids having coffee scene to remove the "Cream?" 'No thanks. I take it black. Like my men." Which is hilarious precisely because it's so wrong!!