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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Conservatives in bother for stating reality again

144 replies

Tallisker · 08/12/2023 12:27

Tory deputy chair Rachel Maclean accused of transphobic remarks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-67650988

Harsh and rude, but not actually untrue. If the person only started transitioning last year, they won't have a GRC yet, so will be classed as legally male, surely?

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Cancelledcurio · 13/12/2023 18:42

What's Melissa's connection to the Roma community?

HagoftheNorth · 13/12/2023 18:45

Imaginary?

Datun · 13/12/2023 20:54

stomachameleon · 13/12/2023 18:42

Why take your ex wife's maiden name? Is that a bit odd?
I Don't understand what their justification would be.

Men either. But i know it's not unusual.

eg Eddie Izzard has taken the name of an ex girlfriend.

You hear about it often enough to think it's a thing.

Tallisker · 13/12/2023 22:04

Skinwalking? Is that the word?

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SinnerBoy · 13/12/2023 22:08

It sounds like something from a horror film, to be honest.

Muckspout · 13/12/2023 22:23

Cancelledcurio · 13/12/2023 18:41

Must be a shame for the family. They weren't together "nearly two decades" though if they met in 2011. Totally controlling for him to change his surname to his ex wife's though.

I think the date must be a misprint as the article says they were together 19 years and have an 18 year old daughter.

RainWithSunnySpells · 13/12/2023 22:29

SinnerBoy · 13/12/2023 22:08

It sounds like something from a horror film, to be honest.

It is three Horror films.

Ed Gien inspired Jame Gumb/Leatherface/Norman Bates.

TempestTost · 14/12/2023 01:17

I've known men to take the wife's last name because she didn't want to change it, as she had no siblings, and the husband didn't care about his own last name.

But in this case it might be related to the sissification thing.

SinnerBoy · 14/12/2023 05:02

RainWithSunnySpells · Yesterday 22:29

Oh! So that's why. I've seen Pycho but I was 15 and don't remember much of it now.

ApocalipstickNow · 14/12/2023 06:00

RainWithSunnySpells · 13/12/2023 22:29

It is three Horror films.

Ed Gien inspired Jame Gumb/Leatherface/Norman Bates.

There’s also Deranged.

Ed Gein has been the inspiration for a lot of films

Rightsraptor · 14/12/2023 06:06

His appearance totally relevant.

As others have said, it's about the sexual humiliation thing and that needs stating clearly.

I'd expect anyone in politics to dress properly for the role and would not be impressed by a candidate who canvassed wearing ripped jeans, T shirt and trainers either.

It's obvious to most rational people, and that clearly excludes certain sections of the Green Party, that Paulton is a very poor candidate to stand for election as an MP. I sometimes wonder if the GP itself has some humiliation fetish. Or is Paulton the best on offer to them?

ZeldaFighter · 14/12/2023 08:17

I'd be speaking to the police or lawyers re the name change personally.

RainWithSunnySpells · 14/12/2023 08:48

ApocalipstickNow · 14/12/2023 06:00

There’s also Deranged.

Ed Gein has been the inspiration for a lot of films

Thanks ApocalipstickNow.

(Heads off to IMDB. ETA - found it, it's the 1974 film of that name if anyone else wants to look it up.)

ArthurbellaScott · 14/12/2023 09:47

I sometimes wonder if the GP itself has some humiliation fetish.

I do think that there is a tendency that some elements of environmental movements become entranced with martyrdom, victim status, and romanticising the 'marginalised' etc.

ApocalipstickNow · 14/12/2023 16:10

@RainWithSunnySpells no problem, it’s a good film if you like low budget, obscure horror (which I do). It’s definitely creepy and unsettling.

Ofcourseshecan · 14/12/2023 19:08

TeenagersAngst · 08/12/2023 13:07

Love how she's a 'proud lesbian'

… or heterosexual male, as we boring people call it.

fromorbit · 14/12/2023 19:22

RACHEL MACLEAN getting even louder in the Mail.

Next year will see an UK election as well one in the US. The gender wars are going to go to the next level... to be fair the Tories don't have much else and Labour/Greens/SNP clearly are internally divided.

Going to be interesting to see what Labour does in response.

RACHEL MACLEAN: We Tories know what a woman is and will keep saying so
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12861387/RACHEL-MACLEAN-Tories-know-woman-saying-Women-lesbians-fought-decades-rights-respected-not-stand-idly-erased.html

RACHEL MACLEAN: We Tories know what a woman is and will keep saying so

RACHEL MACLEAN: God forbid a woman should say what a woman is, but as I found out on social media, apparently doing so is controversial these days.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12861387/RACHEL-MACLEAN-Tories-know-woman-saying-Women-lesbians-fought-decades-rights-respected-not-stand-idly-erased.html

IcakethereforeIam · 14/12/2023 19:31

The DM put this story on their front page.

SamW98 · 14/12/2023 19:33

Cancelledcurio · 13/12/2023 18:42

What's Melissa's connection to the Roma community?

She had a weekend in a caravan once?

Tbh it’s about as genuine as her connection to the lesbian community.

SamW98 · 14/12/2023 19:36

Am I missing something or are they a gay male couple claiming to both be lesbians?

And people in positions of power are falling over themselves to tell anyone who thinks this is bollox that we’re hateful bigoted scum 🤷‍♀️

IcakethereforeIam · 14/12/2023 19:40

SamW98 · 14/12/2023 19:33

She had a weekend in a caravan once?

Tbh it’s about as genuine as her connection to the lesbian community.

Wore a gypsy style blouse? Felt pretty, might delete later?

BezMills · 14/12/2023 23:10

Guilty arf

HagoftheNorth · 15/12/2023 06:13

Fromorbit well, that couldn’t be any clearer could it? Well said Rachel MacLean

ZeldaFighter · 15/12/2023 10:34

Has anyone mentioned the absolute cheeky grift of this chancer? Failed to get elected as a straight white bloke so is now a "woman" who fancies women and is now eligible for help in getting elected to represent women.

Seriously, did no one ever think wait, that could be abused?

itsfinallytime · 15/12/2023 17:02

The name change thing is about continuing the abuse of the woman, surely?

Clearly this was without consent in this situation.

He's vile. Doesn't give a shit about the impact of this on the females in his life.