Nick Fletcher tells Gillian Keegan some home truths

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This morning at the Education Select Committee. Well done Nick!

CFW will have the whole section on their YouTube channel soon.

Part of Nick's contribution

And by proxy, every other set of parents. Many of whom may hold different beliefs and not wish their children taught that they must perform a more important person's beliefs and set their boundaries according to that more important person's wishes and feelings while their own must not be mentioned.

Why would a 3 year old child think this way? The only reasons I can think of for a child that age to want to be the opposite sex is because they're being forced to comply with stereotypes or because they're being abused.

And the parents can't be that intelligent if they think that bringing their child up to believe they're the opposite sex, starting at an age when the child can't possibly understand what this means, is a better course of action than letting them grow up first before making irreversible decisions.

Why weren't these very intelligent parents doing all the reading and research you did before putting their young child on this pathway?

I can't explain, it's too outing. Absolutely no suspicion of sexual abuse, but unavoidable family trauma. I have no idea what reading the parents have done, a lot I imagine. They didn't just dive in recklessly it was a long therapeutic journey, unfortunately under ideologically driven professionals, including the most high profile ideologue in the business. They're good people in the grip of an insidious delusion, with their every move supported by the professionals around them, health and otherwise.

Absolutely appalling to subject a three year old to this. Fucksake 😡

And @unwashedanddazed I disagree. They’re not “good people”.

I try to understand their position but I don't support their actions at all.

They've been led where mainstream 'medicine' has taken them. In the gender industry dissenting voices are quashed. Evidenced by the large numbers of resignations from GIDS.

Absolutely no suspicion of sexual abuse, but unavoidable family trauma.

Of course, that's the other reason for this. Although I said abuse which covers a much wider range of issues than sexual abuse.

So I should have said:

"The only reasons I can think of for a child that age to want to be the opposite sex is because they're being forced to comply with stereotypes or because they're being abused in some way (not necessarily sexually) or there has been some other trauma in their life."

But I really do doubt the intelligence of parents who are even discussing with professionals about their 3-year-old claiming a cross-sex identity. Would they have taken their child to the doctor if the child had insisted that they were a dog or a dinosaur?

It’s isn’t actually to do with intelligence, even though it feels like it when you’re forced to point out the obvious. More women than men promote gender ideology: are we saying that women are less intelligent than men? Thinking out loud I’m guessing there is a combination of factors including personal values, personality, socialisation, susceptibility to external influences, peer group, politics and environment etc. Intelligence comes into it but plays a small part. Gender is entrenched in society cross-culturally to the point where it seems like natural human behaviour to differentiate between the sexes on more than just biological reproductive roles. It’s almost impossible to establish whether many differences between men and women are nature/nurture. This is one of the reasons the dinosaur comparison is not immediately understood as analogous by many people. I would have thought an understanding of radical feminism would be protective against this ideology but I think I might be wrong on that…

More women than men promote gender ideology: are we saying that women are less intelligent than men?

That wasn't what I was saying. I was referring to this particular child and their parents. I am assuming (but may be wrong) that the child has a mother and a father, that this is not a same sex couple. It appears that both parents are on board, so my comments about their intelligence applies to both equally. How people handle this with their own children is a separate issue from promoting the trans agenda.

But there also seem to be more women than men pushing back against gender ideology, so using your argument we might just as easily conclude that women are actually more intelligent than men. Generally, I think women are more likely to get swept into the "be kind" camp without giving it much thought.

But you only have to look at yesterday's HoC debate about the GRA to see how intelligent or otherwise people on each side of this debate look when they discuss this stuff. People like Anneliese Dodds, Chris Bryant and Angela Eagle all looked like utter idiots.

@Froodwithatowel - you are absolutely spot on about the need for lots of paperwork, and making sure all the adults involved have full accountability for whatever happens due to their interference.

I think this committee also makes schools seem afraid of being sued, afraid of not falling in line, but my experience is that schools are often complicit and very much part of the problem. That is why guidance may not work.

Indeed. Keegan & her senior staff all appearing uninformed and completely clueless about safeguarding, instead wibbling on about "navigating" schools & the scary all important lawyers (mainly Stonewall captured with a vast dollop of self interest in transing other people's children as we are often reminded on here)

Frood nailed it when she said this yesterday:
"heavy paperwork needs to be required to socially transition a pupil, all signed, named staff, copies filed with the LA, a big process with a lot of practical accountability for the adults involved. Considering how much bumph has to be filled out to take six children to the park across the road for ten minutes in a lesson, or to get additional staffing support for a child with serious SEND why is this taken so much less seriously?

That needs to be part of the feedback to this consultation. That, in the interests of safeguarding and professional record keeping, every single adult who decides to socially transition a child in school must sign on the dotted line that they are doing this. It's a psychological intervention being made by unqualified useful idiots staff in schools so they will also need to keep full records of all their interactions with them. Just as you do when taking a disclosure of abuse, or as a qualified psychologist or counsellor. This must also apply to everyone working for the numerous dodgy organisation being given access to children in schools - their unqualified, self interested interventions with children must also be formally recorded and signed off by the school.