"Period experiencing humans"

[UsuallyJustLurk]

Hope this is the right place. Like many others I've learned a lot from these boards and receiving an email with this language today from ModiBodi (in celebration of the scrapping of VAT on period products) made me so angry. I'm not brave enough to put myself as GC on my socials but did fire off my thoughts in a contact form to the brand directly. Just pointing out that removing "women" from language is degrading and to be truly inclusive, we as women should be included. language IS important. Might not help but wanted my voice to be heard

The purpose of this language is not, as Maddy claims, to 'include' females who identify as trans, but to obscure the connection between women and female biology - with the aim of making it easier for men to insert themselves into the category 'woman'. That's why you don't see the same thing happening to male language.

We hear so often that there is a group of female people who are triggered by their periods and discussion of periods. So, when is this all going to stop and revert to additive language if forced, or just revision back to women and girls.

Because the group who tell us they are triggered by being reminded that they have periods are also triggered by the words 'women and girls'. If they cannot be included with additive 'transmen and non-binary female people', then none of these linguistic accommodations are going to work for them.

Therefore, this language is alienating everyone. I do think it is becoming very clear that making these ridiculous phrases is not working for clear communication. I also think that those who are staunchly defending this language usage are also being shown to not have the empathy for others that they often premise their defence on and are simply blindly adhering to ideologically driven emotions.

Exactly so. We all know that not all women experience all female experiences, certainly not all at the same time anyway, but most of us do at some time or other, and all of us get treated differently because we are perceived as women or girls, i.e. humans with female bodies rather than male. But when we are described as chestfeeders, period-experiencing humans, vagina owners, birthing bodies and so on, not only is it dehumanising to refer to us by these bodily processes rather than by a word that recognises us as sentient beings, but also it becomes harder to talk about issues that affect our entire sex class and only our sex class, because each issue that affects us is discussed separately and the unifying theme is lost. As has frequently been pointed out, if we can't see or talk about sex, how can we recognise or discuss sexism?

Yes this is male driven

Males who want women to hand over the word for their use

If you read the thread you've got multiple, extensive explanations of how this is exclusionary and specifically to women and girls.

Is it that you haven't read the thread yet, or would you like clearer information to help you understand the issues?

I’m in peri and my cycle is up the spout. I have no idea when I’ll next be a period-experiencing human.

Spare a thought for anyone from the USA where a period is punctuation. By that definition, Modinodi is correct but unlikely to sell many of its pants.

The companies selling period pants for "uterus-havers", "cervix-havers" or period-experiencing humans" are also alienating a LOT of women.

I have a friend who bought them for bladder leaks after a hysterectomy at the age of 46. She was still a "period-experiencing human" until then.

Another friend is post-menopausal and has bought them for light bladder leaks. She's no longer a "period-experiencing human" but still uses them.

Humans who buy and use period pants for periods or leaks are women! And they're keeping your companies in business.

All I can say is be careful what you wish for, ModiBodi (and the rest), or you may end up selling only to the VERY FEW WOMEN who don't wish to be known as WOMEN despite knowing that they ARE WOMEN.

I'm still a woman and I haven't had a period in 30 years. No big deal.

Thinking about it I didn't have periods for the first 12 years of my life either. That adds up to the majority of my life I was not a period having human.

I'm sure it all makes sense until you realise that it's not possible for a female to transition to male.

Good news for camping fans! - 10% off tents!

How very dare you? What about homeless people who need a tent but aren't camping fans? Or open air camping fans who don't need a tent?

Good news for people who want to buy a tent! 10% off tents!

Better.

(Why have advertisers lost the art of the metonym?)

'Women, girls and anyone else who has periods, no matter how you identify'

There. It's easy.

"People who use sanitary protection for their periods". Is that PC enough?

Exactly this.

It's ALL about men, always.

If there are no set definitions/boundaries/rules/descriptors of what it is to be a woman or female, then it becomes more easy for anyone to identify into the category.
AND for anyone thinking ModiBodi or whatever the fuck they are called, are just being "kind" to transmen who have identified out of their womanhood, they're not.
They carry a product marketed at trans WOMEN. Yes, a period product marketed at biological males, to ease their gender dysphoria or some fucking nonsense.

A few years ago a man wanting to experience periods and going so far as to purchase sanitary wear, would have rightly been named as the thing that he so clearly is.
Now it is celebrated and encouraged.
This whole thing is about welcoming men into the category of female by erasing what it means to be a female.
Nothing else.

This^

It is so bra burning time. Fuck them and everyone else too blind to see that we are erasing women.

Yep crash it down

Where do we start? Downing Street?

"Women, girls and others who menstruate" should do the trick surely?

These companies are helpfully informing us just how little they think of their core consumer, so we can take our business elsewhere.

Quite. I have learnt, so some degree, a number of languages, and "woman" comes up fairly quickly in the vocabulary. "Period", almost never.

Period companies: We use inclusive language because we are sensitive that the word woman can be upsetting and triggering to some people. Words matter!

Women: We’re pretty upset and triggered to be referred to by our body parts or biological functions.

TRAs: it’s just a word, I can’t get worked up about this..

This is why I no longer buy from modibodi which is their loss as I have two DDs plus myself I'm financing and procuring the period pants for (probably forever as the menopause is taking its sweet time).

I now use WUKA who do use the words women and girls still.

Far from being 'inclusive' they have 'excluded' me from their pool of potential customers. I assume this is what they want. They must know that reducing women and girls to bodily functions excludes most women and girls as we're quite attached to the idea that we're fully human.

It's not a sensitive way of including everyone if the majority of women and girls don't want to be referred to as "period experiencing humans", Maddy.

Also, there is no such thing as a female transitioning into a male because humans can't change sex. Which is precisely why trans men still menstruate: because they are still female.

I'm not a period experiencing human because earlier this year I pushed a baby out of my vagina and I am still breastfeeding her all night long. No idea when I will be a period experiencing human again.