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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sandi Toksvig "doesn't get it", poor love....

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HootyMcBooby · 23/11/2023 13:31

Sandi Toksvig slams anti-trans bigots ‘claiming to be radical feminists’ (msn.com)

"I could weep. I don’t get it. It’s beyond me"

Yeah Sandi, I don't get it either.
How is it possible that men can say they are women and have unfettered access to females in their safe spaces?
How is it possible that we are medicating children against puberty?
How it is possible that a woman can be raped on a female hospital ward by a man claiming to be a woman and then gaslighted to be told a man was not on the ward?
How is it possible that men are claiming titles, sponsorships and medals in women's sports?
How is it possible women and females are being literally erased from so many spheres of life, including health/medicine and marketing campaigns? How come the same isn't happening to males?

As a lesbian do you like "lady penis"?
Or do you actually know that men remain men whatever surgeries they may have had, and are just on the "be kind" train?

Have you even THOUGHT about the issues this ideology ushers in?

Actually you don't need to answer that.
It's obvious.

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/sandi-toksvig-slams-anti-trans-bigots-claiming-to-be-radical-feminists/ar-AA1kpd7X?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=53a2618ee8d440d7b002ea0d8b9bd15a&ei=13

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JeezWhatNext · 23/11/2023 17:04

She’s just so safe she doesn’t feel the danger anymore. Very few of us ever reach that level of safe. Next she’ll be thinking tents are a lifestyle choice and terrified people in boats are just here for the benefits. Disappointing

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 23/11/2023 17:23

Bouffe · 23/11/2023 16:57

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Toksvig#:~:text=Claus%20Bertel%20Toksvig%20(21%20October,figures%20in%20Danish%20broadcasting%20history.

Wikipedia, I know — but her dad was Denmark's equivalent of Richard Dimbleby, and we all know how badly his sons did career wise.

And grandsons

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9790733/Profile-multimillionaire-Eton-educated-food-tsar-Henry-Dimbleby.html

literalviolence · 23/11/2023 17:31

Whether or not she knows it, Sandi is a world class bigot. She does not stand up for vulnerable women and needs to check her privilege. Her trauma as a lesbian - because of how they've been treated in the past - is clear. However, that is no excuse for her homophobic position she is now taking.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 23/11/2023 17:39

I’m not remotely surprised. I wish I was. Sandi Toksvig & early WEP can take credit for peaking half of FWR with their statement that women’s prisons should be mixed sex and their waffling about gender woo. Although there’s also this clip where Sandi states very truthfully that no dyke needs a penis…

https://x.com/womencansee/status/958686050171277312?s=46&t=24c39_JwRrH3k0oebVKtWw

Sandi Toksvig "doesn't get it", poor love....
TheDogthatDug · 23/11/2023 17:41

Nasty piece of work

HermioneWeasley · 23/11/2023 17:47

there is no way she doesn’t understand the issues - they are mainstream now. She can’t defend them so has to wave it away with “I don’t get it”. She chooses not to engage because it doesn’t suit her. And that’s despicable.

WinterTrees · 23/11/2023 17:48

Next she’ll be thinking tents are a lifestyle choice and terrified people in boats are just here for the benefits.

Yes! It's the same logic, though I'm sure she'd quiver with indignant luvvie outrage at the suggestion.

Villagetoraiseachild · 23/11/2023 18:02

Maybe Mr Menno can M.C a special edition of Q.I with Sandy on one of the panels......

EmpressaurusOfCats · 23/11/2023 18:20

I heard somewhere that one of WE’s major donors is either trans or has a child who identifies as trans.

ScremeEggs · 23/11/2023 18:33

She's probably afraid of being hound by the trans-lobby then cancelled, which seems to be what happens to those who put their head above the parapet
Can't possibly be that as a woman she has her own thoughts.
Poor love must be confused, or scared into thinking the way she does.
Bless 🙄

FinallyFinalGirl · 23/11/2023 18:42

ScremeEggs · 23/11/2023 18:33

She's probably afraid of being hound by the trans-lobby then cancelled, which seems to be what happens to those who put their head above the parapet
Can't possibly be that as a woman she has her own thoughts.
Poor love must be confused, or scared into thinking the way she does.
Bless 🙄

She's a LESBIAN. She is same SEX attracted. How stupid do you think we are? Of course she is saying what stupid, reactionary people want to hear.🙄

theDudesmummy · 23/11/2023 18:42

Another one who I used to think was one of the good guys and who now comes out as an absolutely world-class tit (cf Suzie Izzard).

Intelligenthair · 23/11/2023 18:42

I am particularly baffled by lesbians who don’t get it. How can they possibly think it’s acceptable for sex to be erased/disregarded? Without sex there is no same sex attraction. Would Sandi accept a transwoman with a penis into her bed?

FinallyFinalGirl · 23/11/2023 18:45

HermioneWeasley · 23/11/2023 17:47

there is no way she doesn’t understand the issues - they are mainstream now. She can’t defend them so has to wave it away with “I don’t get it”. She chooses not to engage because it doesn’t suit her. And that’s despicable.

Like Jeremy Vine, who hosted both Paris Sleaze and Susie Green on his show yet still decided to pretend he was clueless. 'Sorry to ask, but what is happening here?'🙄 Sure Jez.

FinallyFinalGirl · 23/11/2023 18:48

Intelligenthair · 23/11/2023 18:42

I am particularly baffled by lesbians who don’t get it. How can they possibly think it’s acceptable for sex to be erased/disregarded? Without sex there is no same sex attraction. Would Sandi accept a transwoman with a penis into her bed?

Me too....and the gay men like Owen Jones. How can they???

Being popular with the men with money must mean a hell of a lot to some people.

ScremeEggs · 23/11/2023 18:48

Of course she is saying what stupid, reactionary people want to hear.🙄
Yes she's a LESBIAN, but why do you think LESBIAN's are all one mass of people who think the same?

FinallyFinalGirl · 23/11/2023 18:52

ScremeEggs · 23/11/2023 18:48

Of course she is saying what stupid, reactionary people want to hear.🙄
Yes she's a LESBIAN, but why do you think LESBIAN's are all one mass of people who think the same?

On this issue, yes, I expect them to think the same because as lesbians they are exclusively same sex attracted.

One just MIGHT expect them to know the difference between men and women. Far out, I know.🙄

Toseland · 23/11/2023 18:56

I think there is no excuse now - the issues are in the papers daily - these celebrities and leaders can no longer claim that they don't get it - so she is outright lying.
What I still can't understand is that when women say they need single sex spaces why the answer is immediately "you're a bigot" rather than any hint of compassion or consideration?
Sadly Sandi there will be no freedom to be Lesbians or Tomboys in the future because of people like you - you are the true bigot here. Our girl's choice will be either to perform femininity in the style of a pornified drag queen or else to be pushed down a path to be medically and surgically altered into a 'nonbinary' or 'man'.

ScremeEggs · 23/11/2023 19:01

Sadly Sandi there will be no freedom to be Lesbians or Tomboys in the future because of people like you
See, talking of not "getting" stuff, that's what I don't "get" - how on earth does it do that?!
Trans people being more accepted/visible doesn't mean lesbians are suddenly going to think "That sounds good, I want to be trans too"
Or "hey I'm not a lesbian anymore"
That's ridiculous.
You either are or aren't.

ScremeEggs · 23/11/2023 19:03

Our girl's choice will be either to perform femininity in the style of a pornified drag queen or else to be pushed down a path to be medically and surgically altered into a 'nonbinary' or 'man'

?!
You can still be a gender non conforming woman you know.
They still exist

FinallyFinalGirl · 23/11/2023 19:05

Toseland · 23/11/2023 18:56

I think there is no excuse now - the issues are in the papers daily - these celebrities and leaders can no longer claim that they don't get it - so she is outright lying.
What I still can't understand is that when women say they need single sex spaces why the answer is immediately "you're a bigot" rather than any hint of compassion or consideration?
Sadly Sandi there will be no freedom to be Lesbians or Tomboys in the future because of people like you - you are the true bigot here. Our girl's choice will be either to perform femininity in the style of a pornified drag queen or else to be pushed down a path to be medically and surgically altered into a 'nonbinary' or 'man'.

A young woman who moved into our project recently enough, asked me if I don't get into trouble for separating vulnerable girls and women from men and boys. I have to say, I was taken aback. She is highly vulnerable after years of abuse and it is recommended that she has a female key worker and female tutor, HCP etc.

People who push this shit are responsible for so much harm. So much trauma. So much gaslighting and abuse.

FinallyFinalGirl · 23/11/2023 19:10

ScremeEggs · 23/11/2023 19:01

Sadly Sandi there will be no freedom to be Lesbians or Tomboys in the future because of people like you
See, talking of not "getting" stuff, that's what I don't "get" - how on earth does it do that?!
Trans people being more accepted/visible doesn't mean lesbians are suddenly going to think "That sounds good, I want to be trans too"
Or "hey I'm not a lesbian anymore"
That's ridiculous.
You either are or aren't.

Have you not seen what is happening to our tomboys and young lesbians? Have you not seen the double mastectomies, the wonky phalloplasties?

JellySaurus · 23/11/2023 19:13

BadSkiingMum · 23/11/2023 15:07

As per Mary Beard, she has reached a point and position in life whereby most of the key points where this issue touches women's lives no longer apply to her. She has reached a point of seniority in her career, she has achieved much of what she wants to do, she has sufficient money to insulate herself from public places/services, her children are grown up and pregnancy/childbirth is no longer a factor (although it may be for her daughters).

It really is a stunning lack of empathy and imagination.

So has JK Rowling.

FinallyFinalGirl · 23/11/2023 19:21

@JellySaurus that's an excellent point. I suppose the difference is that JKR didn't grow up or ever 'belong' in esteemed circles. She knows what it is to be an ordinary girl and woman in a hostile society.

But I do think that even if she hadn't, she has so much natural ability to IMAGINE that she would get it, anyway.

AvacadoFieldsForever · 23/11/2023 19:21

She’s one of the many who have absolutely no responsibility or accountability should anything go wrong so can play at being Lady Bountiful and sing Imagine at the plebs till the cows come home.

When someone gets paralysed or concussed playing contact sport, when a 13 year old gets pregnant on an overnight school trip, when a scandal breaks in a prison or a hospital Sandi can move on to scolding poor people about driving cars or recycling or something.