Sandi Toksvig "doesn't get it", poor love....

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Sandi Toksvig slams anti-trans bigots ‘claiming to be radical feminists’ (msn.com)

"I could weep. I don’t get it. It’s beyond me"

Yeah Sandi, I don't get it either.
How is it possible that men can say they are women and have unfettered access to females in their safe spaces?
How is it possible that we are medicating children against puberty?
How it is possible that a woman can be raped on a female hospital ward by a man claiming to be a woman and then gaslighted to be told a man was not on the ward?
How is it possible that men are claiming titles, sponsorships and medals in women's sports?
How is it possible women and females are being literally erased from so many spheres of life, including health/medicine and marketing campaigns? How come the same isn't happening to males?

As a lesbian do you like "lady penis"?
Or do you actually know that men remain men whatever surgeries they may have had, and are just on the "be kind" train?

Have you even THOUGHT about the issues this ideology ushers in?

Actually you don't need to answer that.
It's obvious.

Sandi's problem here is she's very satisfied in finding middle ground. This means she is missing the initial imbalance - otherwise called oppression. So the 'middle ground' between people shaming women for breastfeeding and people being entirely accepting and unconcerned about women breastfeeding is to shame them a little bit.

This - Sandi probably thinks she’s being oh so reasonable, but to shame women, even only a little bit, is unfeminist.

I think in terms of trans rights, Sandi has nailed her colours to the TWAW mast and can’t reverse ferret now. It doesn’t affect her personally and as we know from that book extract, she believes women need to put other people’s feelings and comfort ahead of their own.

What's the book those breastfeeding etiquette lessons are published in, Pothole?

Cheers,you're very kind.

but to shame women, even only a little bit, is unfeminist.

And the posts on here calling her a twat, a traitor, and numerous other insults are doing what, exactly?

I don't agree with her but this thread is very in the vein of the TRAs. Woman has wrongthink opinion, how dare she.

Yes I am.
Thank you.

So, what brings you to the discussion on a public board?

Shes a nepo baby? Sheesh, I dont know why I didn't ever figure this out sooner.

Bloody hell I used to love watching her in various programmes. What the hell, she must know what the issues are. I dont have her education or lifestyle but I can see the problems from space. It's not all that hard to figure out allowing men in, leaves women out.

I have never liked her as she's always such a bloody know it all.

But I am truly astounded that someone who has never breastfed can give advice like that. So many mothers struggle with breastfeeding, as did I, and now we're supposed to remember to be discreet and not upset anyone as well. Well, that's us told. 😡

Nah. Feminists aren't supposed to agree with everything other women say. What if they say the opposite to each other? Or the opposite of feminism?

Strewth, we'd be running around like headless chickens with no time to make the sandwiches.

You don't have to agree with her. I don't.

But calling her names, making digs at her background etc - that goes beyond disagreement and is no better than the TRAs.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the less generous interpretation.

Haha!!

"You're just like TRAs"

Actually being shamed, whilst being scolded for shaming. 🤣😁

Still, can't fault your multitasking skills!

Indeed.

This is starting to remind me of those MiL threads where some woman's saying 'she's burned down the house and eaten the children, AIBU to say she's a cow?' and someone will say accusingly "You don't like her do you?"

Well no. Obviously not. And that's not a crime for a woman.

I find someone who thinks vulnerable women should be harmed and excluded and that all women should be subordinated to men's use by law is pretty unlikeable, yes.

There are different kinds of intelligence. Toksvig may have other kinds, but in this, yes, she's demonstrating the capacity of a yard of lard.

Remarkable! Just remarkable.

Me, too. And I'm a lesbian.

But some do go along with the trans line, and, like you, I'm baffled by it.

Don't be disingenuous.

It's completely hypocritical to say shaming other women is unfeminist on a thread which is loaded with insults towards a woman because she has the "wrong" opinion.

Pointing that out is not scolding or shaming. Or is it ok to shame and insult women when they have the wrong thoughts?

Has everyone stopped demonstrating their ignorance of the evolution of second wave feminism by telling a lesbian she is wrong about the attitude to lesbians in the feminist movement in the 60s and 70s?

Or might they have taken a break to go and read up on Betty Friedan and the lavendar menace before they declare that Toksvig is in fact correct that lesbians were excluded from the mainstream feminist movement for a number of years.

I appear to have missed the announcement you're the policing body for use of a public forum?

she's a highly educated, very intelligent woman. She gets it. She's pretending not to.

Or might they have taken a break to go and read up on Betty Friedan and the lavendar menace before they declare that Toksvig is in fact correct that lesbians were excluded from the mainstream feminist movement for a number of years.

Betty Friedan was in the US. In the UK, lesbians were an integral part of the women's liberation movement. I'm old enough to remember 1970s feminism, which may give me a slight advantage.

I can't remember precisely, but I think Toksvig spent some time in the US. Her father worked there? So her formative years. Might have influenced her opinions on how lesbianism was received.

Toksvig came out in 1994 and has spent her public life campaigning for equality, including women’s and LGBTQ+ rights.

“I’ve been an activist all of my life. It’s a core part of who I am. We’re here, we’re making noise – and we’re not going away,” she said.

if she's going to be public about this, she might get something of a shock.

She will be asked about lesbianism. I really can't see her defending it, and defending transactivism simultaneously, without realising she's in a world of cognitive dissonance.

And, as we all know, you're either 100% in, or you're just a bigot like the rest of us.

Paging Chandler Bing in heaven, could she BE any more privileged?

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