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SqueakyDinosaur · 14/11/2023 18:34

Steph's latest tweet appears to suggest that he'll be on Woman's Hour tomorrow....

AutumnCrow · 14/11/2023 18:41

PonyPatter44 · 14/11/2023 18:21

This isn't the same Steph person who seems to treat the police as their private security detail and keeps reporting women on social media platforms, is it?

No. But they are apparently big in the Labour Party in Portsmouth, according to a Mail Online piece today.

AutumnCrow · 14/11/2023 18:49

God sorry that sounded so abrupt ^^ Not meant to be, @PonyPatter44!

Signalbox · 14/11/2023 20:06

Someone on Twitter is saying that "Steph" is going to be on Woman's Hour tomorrow. I don't know if it's a joke or not! 😵

Signalbox · 14/11/2023 20:07

SqueakyDinosaur · 14/11/2023 18:34

Steph's latest tweet appears to suggest that he'll be on Woman's Hour tomorrow....

Sorry didn't read this before I posted. Have WH completely lost the plot?

SqueakyDinosaur · 14/11/2023 21:54

If someone can tell me how to get a sodding share token, I have a Times subscription (through my own laziness and incompetence in not cancelling at the end of the free trial....).

Does this work:

Trans woman appointed endometriosis charity chief hits out at critics

A trans woman appointed chief executive of a health charity that helps women suffering from endometriosis says any complaints are transphobic and believes “birt

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-woman-appointed-as-endometriosis-charity-chief-kxldrwjkp

ellieboo9 · 14/11/2023 22:13

AutumnCrow · 13/11/2023 18:06

I wish they'd just fuck off with this utter shit.

They are trolling us. With these kinds of appointments it's all about showing us our boundaries mean nothing to them.

Cancelledcurio · 14/11/2023 22:20

@ellieboo9 they are indeed. "Steph" is absolutely loving this attention and hoo ha. This male thrives on upsetting women and making women feel uncomfortable.

BlackpoolintheSixties · 14/11/2023 22:25

Tomorrow’s Woman’s Hour is going to discuss endometriosis….

Endometriosis charity hire a TW as CEO
SqueakyDinosaur · 15/11/2023 09:10

To be fair, Emma Barnett knows what she's talking about, as she has endo. https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/emma-barnett-endometriosis

If Steph is being interviewed then it will be interesting to see what angle she takes. She's not 100% GC or TWAW. This might be another brick in the terfy wall.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/11/2023 09:11

They are trolling us. With these kinds of appointments it's all about showing us our boundaries mean nothing to them.

Exactly.

Signalbox · 15/11/2023 11:20

"Steph" is absolutely loving this attention and hoo ha. This male thrives on upsetting women and making women feel uncomfortable.

Yes I think all the drama and upset is completely playing into “Steph’s” hands. In fact it feels like the whole thing is a set up. I wish the whole of GC twitter would just Block Steph and every organisation that Steph is involved with.

AutumnCrow · 15/11/2023 15:19

People who go along with this misogyny are not fit to be in office or to run charities.

I've started saying this openly in my RL now and I'm not getting anything like the same push back that I used to.

I'm going to challenge my male Labour MP again (whom I know fairly well). Even last time we spoke his reaction was just a resigned sigh and feeble attempt at 'Anneliese is working really hard on this'.

BeckyAMumsnet · 15/11/2023 16:15

Hi everyone. We're dropping in because we're receiving a number of reports about the various threads discussing this charity. Most of you will be familiar with our guidelines specific to sex and gender discussions and if you're not, please take a look at them.

As our guidelines say, we do allow people to discuss biology and scientific evidence - and we know that in cases such as this, it's an integral part of the discussion. But we know that many transgender people find the use of pronouns or names that they or others have consciously rejected to be hurtful and would struggle to engage in a discussion with those who insist on using them. We look at the context of course, but there's a fair chance we'll delete these expressions if they're perceived as deliberately inflammatory.

Finding common ground is tough when there's a deep-rooted disagreement on the very terms of the discussion - but we strongly believe that the best path forward involves respectful and constructive debate. Our goal is to make Mumsnet a space that doesn't feel unwelcoming to any particular group, whether it's trans individuals, gender-critical feminists, or anyone else.

Mumsnet moderation principles for discussions around gender identity and sex | Mumsnet

Mumsnet moderation principles for discussions around gender identity and sex. Please familiarise yourself with this before posting on our forums.

https://www.mumsnet.com/i/trans-rights-moderation-policy

IdleAnimations · 15/11/2023 16:38

Sorry Mumsnet I’ll never call a man a she, especially when that man held up a sign outside a feminist meeting saying ‘suck my dick’. Sad to see a ’womans forum’ care more about keeping men happy than biological reality. Have to step away now as absolutely livid seeing so many posts removed for stating biological fact on a number of threads about men colonising women’s sports or taking over appointments that should be for women.

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Signalbox · 15/11/2023 16:51

Dear Mumsnet. I do try and de-pronoun my speech purely in order to avoid account cancellation. I hope I haven’t tripped up on this occasion. It’s pretty difficult to remember to call an obvious man “she”. I feel like the pronoun rule is pretty one-sided because it only considers the feelings of males who demand we use wrong-sex pronouns and doesn’t consider how humiliating it is for women to have their speech compelled in relation to this issue.

IdleAnimations · 15/11/2023 16:53

Signalbox · 15/11/2023 16:51

Dear Mumsnet. I do try and de-pronoun my speech purely in order to avoid account cancellation. I hope I haven’t tripped up on this occasion. It’s pretty difficult to remember to call an obvious man “she”. I feel like the pronoun rule is pretty one-sided because it only considers the feelings of males who demand we use wrong-sex pronouns and doesn’t consider how humiliating it is for women to have their speech compelled in relation to this issue.

This.

Especially when these males have been known to attack women either verbally or physically.

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Noelectricheating · 15/11/2023 17:19

IdleAnimations · 15/11/2023 16:38

Sorry Mumsnet I’ll never call a man a she, especially when that man held up a sign outside a feminist meeting saying ‘suck my dick’. Sad to see a ’womans forum’ care more about keeping men happy than biological reality. Have to step away now as absolutely livid seeing so many posts removed for stating biological fact on a number of threads about men colonising women’s sports or taking over appointments that should be for women.

This 100%

Biological fact all the way.

Society will hopefully come to common sense one day.

Women matter. Its not for mem who feel like a woman to trample over, dictate, shove to one side. Those are things that men have always done. Not acceptable.

Cancelledcurio · 15/11/2023 17:30

As PPs have said above , mumsnet. I will never curb my speech or allow a biological male to use their position to deliberately hurt or upset women who are experiencing trauma or illhealth. This biological male is doing just that. And I will call it out. It is disgraceful.

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 15/11/2023 19:10

The male transitioners who insist on using female only spaces are bad enough but the male transitioners who elbow their way into positions of power within within women’s support orgs (eg Rape Crisis) take boundary overstepping to a whole new level.

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Bronzenettle · 15/11/2023 19:11

This is really disappointing mumsnet. I thought we’d moved on.

StarlightLime · 15/11/2023 19:17

Shame on you, MNHQ.

Noelectricheating · 15/11/2023 19:20

Cancelledcurio · 15/11/2023 17:30

As PPs have said above , mumsnet. I will never curb my speech or allow a biological male to use their position to deliberately hurt or upset women who are experiencing trauma or illhealth. This biological male is doing just that. And I will call it out. It is disgraceful.

Totally disgraceful.

We will not give way to men in wonensface. Biological women are women. Trans women are trans women. There is a major difference and its the male DNA in every cell of the trans woman's body.

One day people will realise that women should not be pushed aside by men.

OneMorePlant · 15/11/2023 20:00

BeckyAMumsnet · 15/11/2023 16:15

Hi everyone. We're dropping in because we're receiving a number of reports about the various threads discussing this charity. Most of you will be familiar with our guidelines specific to sex and gender discussions and if you're not, please take a look at them.

As our guidelines say, we do allow people to discuss biology and scientific evidence - and we know that in cases such as this, it's an integral part of the discussion. But we know that many transgender people find the use of pronouns or names that they or others have consciously rejected to be hurtful and would struggle to engage in a discussion with those who insist on using them. We look at the context of course, but there's a fair chance we'll delete these expressions if they're perceived as deliberately inflammatory.

Finding common ground is tough when there's a deep-rooted disagreement on the very terms of the discussion - but we strongly believe that the best path forward involves respectful and constructive debate. Our goal is to make Mumsnet a space that doesn't feel unwelcoming to any particular group, whether it's trans individuals, gender-critical feminists, or anyone else.

Many women here find the use of pronouns or names that are not biologically correct to be hurtful and disrespectful of women and would struggle to engage in a discussion with those who demand to gaslight, mind control and dictate our speech.

Where is the respectfulness when every time a polite argument is made by gender critical people we are freely called bigots and transphobes?!

There is no middle ground here only acceptance on both sides. We call it how we see it and they call it how they wish to see it. and everyone will just have to put on their big girl and big boy pants.

Picking a side on the pronoun issue will always exclude and insult one group.

But for the record, and something to think about, almost the entire internet is a "safe space" for trans people and a misogynistic shithole for women.

I sincerely hope that a forum called mumsnet would at least be more forthcoming to it's majority of female users and not take the piss like so many other "pro women" websites and organisations like the one this particular discussion is about.

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