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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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IdleAnimations · 13/11/2023 17:55

“On it's website, Endometriosis South Coast said it is an 'inclusive charity set up to support people who haven’t started their diagnosis journey, are going through the diagnosis stages, or have been diagnosed with endometriosis and/or adenomyosis'.
It added that it aims to create a 'safe space for all people with the condition regardless of race, gender, or religion”

I hope they go bust.

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CormorantStrikesBack · 13/11/2023 18:02

I could have more understood them employing a transman in the job as biologically they’d be female .

I suppose there’s an argument you don’t need to have a condition to raise awareness of that condition But still seems wrong.

IdleAnimations · 13/11/2023 18:05

CormorantStrikesBack · 13/11/2023 18:02

I could have more understood them employing a transman in the job as biologically they’d be female .

I suppose there’s an argument you don’t need to have a condition to raise awareness of that condition But still seems wrong.

I think it’s the fact that Endometriosis affects 1 in 10 women and isn’t taken seriously. They’ve removed any reference of woman and then to further hire a man larping as a woman to promote it is the ultimate insult IMO.

The image next to ‘Steph’ also says (paraphrased) “isn’t it strange how I’ve gotten to 40 and never heard of this”. Well it doesn’t affect males…

This should’ve been a role for a bio female.

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AutumnCrow · 13/11/2023 18:06

I wish they'd just fuck off with this utter shit.

GrumpyPanda · 13/11/2023 18:07

Isn't there another thread on this already?

IdleAnimations · 13/11/2023 18:16

GrumpyPanda · 13/11/2023 18:07

Isn't there another thread on this already?

Apologies if there is, I couldn’t find it myself. Unless it has different key words? I don’t know if a moderator can merge or remove if that’s the case.

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Bronzenettle · 13/11/2023 18:23

It’s disgusting. I’d much rather they hired a regular man.

EndofDaze · 13/11/2023 18:25

My first reaction was horror. However in fairness the CEO of Prostate Cancer Uk is a woman.
I guess it’s a question of how well they can lead the Organisation. Although I agree some of the comments they have made are just ridiculous.

IdleAnimations · 13/11/2023 18:26

Bronzenettle · 13/11/2023 18:23

It’s disgusting. I’d much rather they hired a regular man.

I agree on this.

It’s less insulting if you’re hiring a male CEO with extensive charity experience who is going to drive awareness. The insult in this is we’re meant to believe ‘Steph’ has any understanding of the female exp and is referenced as ‘she’ throughout when the rest of their website states ‘people’ with women being erased throughout!

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DyslexicPoster · 13/11/2023 18:31

If its a job a man could do, it's fine. It's a job only a woman can do its not.

If a person born as male without a womb wants to talk about their painful periods then its a total joke. That would surest endo is or can be all in your head or uou can identify as having endo then that's dangerous.

I'm not sure which of these is within their remit.

CormorantStrikesBack · 13/11/2023 18:36

I guess we wouldn’t expect the boss of a cancer charity to have had cancer themselves. They can still do that job without personal experience.

we can only hope in this case they have hired the best person for the job.

AutumnCrow · 13/11/2023 19:15

It's not the point that they are a man or a non-sufferer of a particular medical problem. The point is that they are a man who is saying that he a woman.

(And yes I'm legally allowed to know, believe and say that.)

My gynaecological surgeon who performed my hysterectomy is a man. He knows he is a man and he says he a man. I'm fine with that and with him. What I wouldn't be fine with is if he started telling me that he was female. Nope - don't want that kind of ideological and political delusion near me, thanks.

CormorantStrikesBack · 13/11/2023 19:39

AutumnCrow · 13/11/2023 19:15

It's not the point that they are a man or a non-sufferer of a particular medical problem. The point is that they are a man who is saying that he a woman.

(And yes I'm legally allowed to know, believe and say that.)

My gynaecological surgeon who performed my hysterectomy is a man. He knows he is a man and he says he a man. I'm fine with that and with him. What I wouldn't be fine with is if he started telling me that he was female. Nope - don't want that kind of ideological and political delusion near me, thanks.

I do get this. And I agree that men can’t become women. However I don’t believe that trans people should be discriminated against….indeed it’s against the equality act to discriminate against someone due to gender reassignment.

you are within your right to decline medical care from a trans person if you wish. But we’re not in this situation here. You’re never going to have the executive of some charity near you.

so I’d say the point needs to be can this person do the job.

AutumnCrow · 13/11/2023 19:41

You’re never going to have the executive of some charity near you.

Of course I will, in my own role. And have done for many years. Safeguarding and honesty are paramount to our roles, especially as we require it from our volunteers.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/11/2023 19:45

CormorantStrikesBack · 13/11/2023 18:36

I guess we wouldn’t expect the boss of a cancer charity to have had cancer themselves. They can still do that job without personal experience.

we can only hope in this case they have hired the best person for the job.

If you look at the other threads on this you will see lots of evidence of their actions in silencing women and a whole raft of online posts showing hostility towards women.

StarlightLime · 13/11/2023 19:47

It added that it aims to create a 'safe space for all people with the condition regardless of race, gender, or religion”
What's this shite about? Safe space?? Open to everyone (literally 😡) regardless of race or religion?? (The gender bollocks is a whole different level of nonsense).
Would any other health related charity carry on like this? 🤯

DdraigGoch · 13/11/2023 19:47

EndofDaze · 13/11/2023 18:25

My first reaction was horror. However in fairness the CEO of Prostate Cancer Uk is a woman.
I guess it’s a question of how well they can lead the Organisation. Although I agree some of the comments they have made are just ridiculous.

The CEO of Prostate Cancer UK does have plenty of experience leading cancer charities. It's not hard to believe that she was the best person for the job.

I await a CV for Steph Richards.

DdraigGoch · 13/11/2023 19:53

CormorantStrikesBack · 13/11/2023 18:36

I guess we wouldn’t expect the boss of a cancer charity to have had cancer themselves. They can still do that job without personal experience.

we can only hope in this case they have hired the best person for the job.

For some reason (probably something to do with the charity's choice of words) I suspect that this person was appointed regardless of ability or experience.

sarahc336 · 13/11/2023 20:02

As a woman who has been trying to get a diagnosis of endo for the last few years and keeps getting fobbed off by male drs this. Has really annoyed me, what a total joke. The whole issue around endo is that it's down played as "normal periods" or pelvic pain is just ibs, etc etc how the hell can any male ever understand it or fight for women being properly diagnosed 😵‍💫 the worlds gone mad

MercianQueen · 13/11/2023 20:47

Judging by Steph's profile on LinkedIn, Steph has no experience of running a charity, or working in women's health. So, presumably there were much better qualified women (and men) out there who Steph has taken the job off for, y'know, reasons.

But Steph does have "an F licence, a driving licence and a GRC". So that's ok then.

uk.linkedin.com/in/stephsplaceuk

Noelectricheating · 14/11/2023 10:48

Female words for a biological man who doesn't have a womb and can only guess how real biological women feel when they suffer from this condition. It's more about the role playing what the biological man thinks is a woman and running a charity for women whilst being a version of a woman that is unlike any real biological women.

It feels twisted and if 'she' had genuine compassion and understanding wouldn't do this role. So the biological man thinking appears to dominate the thought process she/her has.

MargotBamborough · 14/11/2023 11:04

For fuck's actual fucking fuck's sake.

CorruptedCauldron · 14/11/2023 11:16

I think the issue here is that endometriosis has long been a woefully misunderstood condition and women’s pain has been ignored. This is one charity crying out for a CEO with one or all of the following:

a) medical / gynaecology experience
b) lived experience of endometriosis
c) experience running health charities

None of the above applies to Steph AFAIK. What does being CEO of a very biologically-female-specific charity do for Steph? Does Steph care about women and their pain? Or is this very female-centric role about validating Steph’s acquired gender identity?

I would feel better about this if it was a generic health charity for both sexes. I don’t have a problem with TW getting jobs with charities but something about this seems really off, particularly given Steph’s hostility towards those who don’t pander to gender-flip. I’m not sure Steph can be the best advocate for women living with endometriosis.

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I agree. I’d have no issue as I’ve said if this was a male with extensive experience who wanted to help women but was honest he didn’t have female biology. But ultimately this is a male, appropriating womanhood, using a female health issue as a further way of affirming their ‘identity as a woman’. It’s ultimate affirmation, in control of a charity that is for a biological female condition which men can’t have, where a lot of vulnerable women will be around for him to soak up affirmation from, he’ll get a podium to continually normalise a man in a skirt being the head honcho on a womb condition.

It’s for affirmation and power, I don’t think it’s for anything else based on Steph’s previous tweets about women which are highly misogynistic. I don’t think it’s to help women at all.

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