A queer perspective of the acronym with no name

[Ingenieur]

Queer Majority, an LGBT website, has published an article discussing the issue with the acrobym we cannot name here.

https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/the-forbidden-knowledge-of-autoheterosexuality

Followong long delials that this exists, or is an anti-trans dogwhistle, perhaps we have reached the point where it is admitted that "yes it does exist, and it's a good thing".

Ah. So we're past 'that didn't happen' and are onto 'but if it did, it wasn't that bad'.

'Gender dysphoria is heritable, so genes are involved.'

Holy fucking logical leap.

'Anne Lawrence, a self-identified autogynephilic transsexual and a leading proponent of Blanchard’s theory, continued where Blanchard left off. She found that many trans women who sought bottom surgery reported hundreds of prior instances of autogynephilic arousal, and presented compelling evidence that most trans women in Western countries are not the “homosexual” type of trans.'

Yes, quite!

What comes next?

Yes, quite the leap!

I wonder what has prompted the need for exposure, guven that it's been kept quiet for so long.

Also, linking trans issues back to genes has been frowned upon as "transmedicalism", so it's even more interesting.

Eunuchs.

I don’t know that anyone could continue to deny that it happens with so much anecdotal support now. Of male people actively embracing the concept and admitting it fits them.

So if it's ackowledged that some people who identify as trans have autogynephilia, where does that leave trans activists when it comes to woman's spaces?

here You go

Queer Majority has written quite a few articles pushing back at mainstream LGBT+ beliefs and practices. It's a website for your centrists and the people who want thoughtful discussion instead of hysterics and threats.

I agree with some of their articles, I disagree with others, the ones I disagree with I can appreciate for the lack of bat shittery.

Here's one they did on pronouns.

https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/pronouns

So why are we still being deleted for taking about it?

With a problem.

This is why TRAs so strongly reject autogynephilia. It gives legitimacy to the need for single sex spaces because a significant proportion of heterosexual transwomen (and transmen) are using single sex spaces to validate their paraphilia (become aroused).

When you couple this with other common paraphillia’s, such as voyeurism and exhibitionism, you exacerbate the potential for harm to women from heterosexual men.

Heterosexual transmen due to sex based differences in size, strength etc. do not pose the same risk to men. Although I believe men are also entitled to single sex spaces on the grounds of privacy and dignity.

This is why no debate has been pushed so hard I.e. we don’t want people realising this until it is too late.

Transpeople have and always will exist I believe legislation should reflect this to prevent discrimination but not at the expense of women’s rights.

I have used both autogynephillia and AGP on MN and as far as I am aware have not been deleted.

AGP as a 'sexuality'.

I can see this being argued with a sidestep of the fact that for many of these men part of the paraphilia relies on non consensual participation.

It would be possible to argue that merely finding oneself aroused by dressing as a woman is not affecting anyone else.

Which may be true for some, I suppose. Apart from the fact that being out in public dressed en femme is a sexually motivated act.

@Sisterpita

Transpeople have and always will exist

Do you think that the different categories that sit under the "trans" umbrella represent the same issue?

It certainly feels like young boys, young girls and older men are all different expressions which are unrelated to one another.

If we can separate the older men into the AGP category, we can begin to better understand what is happening to the younger kids and teens.

@Ingenieur
Do you think that the different categories that sit under the "trans" umbrella represent the same issue? No, the widening of the trans umbrella has been to the detriment of women and some trans people.

It certainly feels like young boys, young girls and older men are all different expressions which are unrelated to one another. I agree they are different but whether or not they are unrelated to each other is something I believe needs a lot more research. Interesting you omitted older women who are another different expression.

If we can separate the older men into the AGP category, we can begin to better understand what is happening to the younger kids and teens. I have no issue in separating out the different categories but each needs to be researched properly. I actually think de-transitioners could provide some of the most useful quantative and qualitative data to support watchful waiting and counselling (not conversion therapy) for children rather than drugs and surgery but they are drowned out by TRAs.

A number of question that may benefit from more research is what age do human’s develop paraphillia’s, are paraphilia’s nature or nurture, if someone has a paraphilia are they more or less likely to have more than one etc.

I do not think you can completely turn back the clock in legislative terms but you can revise and improve it. The reality is that Gender Identity as a belief is not going to disappear, de-transitioners with a GRC are currently in legal limbo, non-binary people exist. What we need is moderates on both side of the debate to work together to look at a whole range of issues from legislation to education to health care etc.

I don’t have anything profound to add. I may have to come back to this thread.

I’m sitting here with Cage Warriors blaring on the tv, reading about this sexual ‘orientation’ and just wondering, how did this become my life? 😭

'if someone has a paraphilia are they more or less likely to have more than one '

Paraphilias tend to cluster. They commonly include an interest in non consensual acts.

'Non binary people exist' - everybody in the world is 'Non binary' - its a meaningless term.

@ArthurbellaScott I was giving examples of questions as I don’t have the evidence to hand. I strongly suspect paraphilia’s cluster e.g. AGP, exhibitionism and voyeurism but couldn’t evidence it.

Non-binary people exist because some people call themselves that. Some places actually recognise Jediism! e.g. New Zealand, so non-binary is not too far a stretch.

Non-binary people exist because some people call themselves that. Some places actually recognise Jediism! e.g. New Zealand, so non-binary is not too far a stretch.

What you're describing is a belief. Non-binary exists only as a belief held by some people that they (or others) are non-binary. There is nothing which distinguishes people who say they are non-binary from people who don't describe themselves as non-binary apart from belief.

It's the same for trans. There is no objective description of what makes a person trans apart from the fact that this is how they describe themselves.

I don't believe that anyone is really, objectively trans or non-binary. My belief that these things exist only as beliefs is as valid as the belief held by some people that they do exist as something other than a belief.

@OldCrone yes they are beliefs.

As a person of faith I have a belief but I respect other peoples rights to have different beliefs or not to believe in any faith.

I believe sex is binary and I do not believe you can change sex. However, I accept some people believe in Gender Identity Theory and that there should be a way to protect sex based rights whilst also ensuring GI believers rights are protected. This is why I support 3rd spaces.

Yes. Good point. I think the distinction is whether you state a particular person is agp or just general discussion. I don’t want to test it so I cannot confirm either way.

@Helleofabore I have always used it in general discussion and to my knowledge none of my posts have been deleted.

Good to know.