There has been some really useful info shared on abuse and abusers. Thank you.
Also thank you for the acknowledgements about the difficult path that parents who are caught up in this are treading. This board has been an absolute lifeline on this front, being able to explore the whole (massive) subject relating to gender identity belief.
There are so many people that come here who are at various different stages of peaking. There are also several posters - not just me - who have said that they find that debating on threads helps with gathering thoughts and understanding different aspects of why things have come to be the way that they are. In the time that I've been on this board, several debate-style threads have come and gone.
If you want to debate these men, maybe find another space to do it, not critise women for not wanting to do it here.
I'm not sure how the impression was created that I've criticised women for not wanting to do debate. I don't feel critical of anyone who doesn't want to do this. Perhaps this was an unintended consequence of me saying that IMO debate is better than no debate. I certainly don't expect any magic societal change to happen off the back of a TRA coming on to MN but I do think that the debates that have happened on here (mostly without any TRA in them at all, or with a plop and run post at most) have helped to unfold lots of different aspects of the impact of gender identity in society. The Be Kind movement is still in full swing in the public discourse and these threads are really helpful as a start point for many people. That's not just my opinion, I've seen it stated on these types of threads.
Anyway, lots of food for thought on abuse and abusers. I've had a read of some of it already and will read more later.