Suella Braverman is wrong to tell the police to describe transgender rapists as men.

[theilltemperedclavecinist]

First, calling a trans woman a man is misgendering, which is transphobic even if unintentionally.

Secondly, it is not accurate and precise enough. A trans woman is not a man, but she is not just any woman, either. Accuracy and precision are important for good record keeping, for research purposes, and for correctly informing the public.

Thus, a transgender rapist should be recorded as such in police and cps records, and should be referred to in press releases as per Stonewall guidelines (transgender woman, then trans woman for subsequent mentions).

If there is any doubt, I suggest a default of assuming a suspect is trans, to avoid giving offence. Stonewall guidelines make it clear that trans is an umbrella covering many things, including men who only very occasionally cross-dress, for whatever purpose.

It would help if all press releases included an explainer box about what a trans woman is, given the surprising number of people who don't seem to know.

This approach may make the use of 'cisgender' (eg for other suspects) unavoidable, which I know some will dislike. But avoiding ambiguity about what is really happening seems more of a priority at the moment.

Maybe this is how she hopes to pass the political buck in terms of ensuring trans rapists never end up in female prisons. We all saw what happened to Sturgeon after she spoke out on the subject. They're desperate to avoid it!

I want male rapists logged as male rapists. Cos that's what they are. I want them in male prisons, cos that's where they belong.

I also want their trans identity logged, because that data is valuable. I don't want to be told that transwomen are not a threat to women if the data clearly points out that transwomen are disproportionately likely to be rapists.

If rapists cannot access special treatment (like being remanded in the female prison estate) or privileges for claiming trans status, then that will prevent men like Isla Bryson claiming to be trans when they get arrested for rape. That will help clear up the current confusion in the statistics.

Yawn.

Are you new here?

Transwmen are men. The only way a person can be a transwman is to be a man.

Assuming everybody is trans so as not to upset some people is like assuming everybody is Christian so as not to offend some people.

Do grow up.

Yes. Actually new to SM altogether so not sure how this going to go... But at least now I can respond to threads when I think I can contribute. This thread is a bit of a practice run...

I do agree though. It’s important that we have stats on how dangerous trans women are, and if they’re as dangerous as men then surely the argument has to be to keep them out of women’s spaces.

If they are recorded simply as men, then the trope about trans women being victims not aggressors is hard to refute.

But calling a trans woman a man is not “misgendering” for many of us, as I don’t believe in gender as an intrinsic concept. So I can’t maliciously get their gender wrong, in the same way I can’t maliciously call their imaginary friend the wrong name. Nor is it transphobic. I can respect someone else’s beliefs without buying into them.

Rape is a male crime. The word "woman" in any context / attached to any other word etc., should be kept out of it.

Transwomen are men.

Though I do agree with you on this:

But avoiding ambiguity about what is really happening seems more of a priority at the moment.

For the avoidance of ambiguity: people who shove their penises they are not wanted are rapists.

For the avoidance of ambiguity: people who shove their penises they are not wanted are men.

For the avoidance of ambiguity: people who have or once had penises are men.

Oh dear what other delights do you have in store for us ?

What makes you think a person with a penis is a woman?

Spot on.

This. Men cannot become women. End of

This will get moved

If he has a penis he is a man. Cocks in frocks are not women.

Rape is a male crime, even if he wears a skirt

Any predator only has to say the word 'trans' to gain easier access to victims, judiciary leniency, exemptions, etc.

Look at the current statistics on trans population in UK prisons (based on self-declaration): male trans have the same % of sexual assault/rape convictions than general male pop (if not higher) ... while it s close to zero for women.

Men don t change sex, men rape women.

I thought rape was actual penetration and anything else was sexual assault? So for a person to commit rape ie penetration, and therefore be a rapist, surely they have to be a man?

A transwoman is a man, not a woman.
For the purposes of accurate recording of those accused of rape, and appropriate prison if sentenced, their sex (male) should be recorded and also their trans identified status (this wording is inclusive of both 'genuine' transwomen and 'pretenders'.

A convicted rapist has proved himself to be a man. Reports should certainly include relevant details re transidentified status but should refer to rapists as 'he' - a rapist has foregone the right to the polite fictions re 'misgendering'.

What does this mean?

Suella Braverman leaves a lot to be desired in many regards. I'm inclined to feel not in this one.

If the person has all the tackle and is capable of rape then the person is a he.

Transwomen are men, dear.

God they're everywhere today.

This; all day, every day, and forever. MEN.

But for Twitter, no, people do NOT need to be recorded as cis. EVER. It's not a real thing because it assumes genderfeels is real when it isn't.
There is no situation that calls for this. There is no need. We can just record transwomen rapists as men with a trans identity to expose their behaviour and patterns. We don't need to label everyone with a made up tick box just because a bunch of men in dresses want a label.