Stonewall releases report on "dehumanising" discrimination against asexuals

[GinAllAround]

I'm not doubting that you can be judged socially for saying you're asexual but is it really the same as being gay or lesbian?

Although I agree that it shouldn't be classed as a MH condition, I've never heard of anyone being denied a job or housing for being asexual or being beaten up or taunted in the streets.

And what extra legal protection/rights do asexual people need? Surely they have the same rights as anyone else?

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/new-research-shining-light-‘dehumanising’-discrimination-faced-ace-people

It's my understanding that it's someone who doesn't really feel sexual arousal. But the mechanics still work. So if you press button A followed by B you get result C.

But crikey, there must be millions of women like that.

Five minutes ago it was the view of society that almost all women were like that!

and by sexual arousal, I'm guessing it means they don't look at someone and go hot all over. Obviously getting results would require some form of sexual arousal.

I mean to me it's just ridiculous to pick apart the spectrum of sexual arousal. When most people would just rather not talk about any of it!

For those arguing that we don't have skin in the game, I'd say we all do.

By the definition of asexuality posted earlier on this thread with the purple screenshot, I am asexual.

Meanwhile, in reality, I'm not asexual, I am a bisexual woman who is attracted to a limited pool of people and I'm not that into vanilla sex. My life, my label, Stonewall don't get to decide that for me just like they don't get to rewrite history and re-label people who are dead and can't fight back.

As a teenager, I was a tomboy, I spent most of my childhood falling out of trees and kept my hair short until I couldn't be bothered with getting it cut and let it grow into a birds nest I had no interest in sorting out. By Stonewall's definition I am trans. Except, I am not trans. I am a woman who didn't fit a stereotype. But if trans had existed as a teenager and I'd been shunted through the medicalised "treatment" for it, I would probably have had my uterus removed by now and my children wouldn't exist.

That's what concerns me. People are fighting for the right to uncritically run into another irreversible mistake and to guide other people that way, too. You can't take a baby back if it doesn't match your playhouse.

Apparently asexual people experience little or no sexual attraction.

Ace is the umbrella term for people who
experience a lack of, varying, or occasional experiences of romantic or sexual attraction.

From the report.

So it doesn’t preclude having sex.

are lesbians also considered in this statement?

Note that:

Apparently asexual people experience little or no sexual attraction.

does not preclude asexual people enjoying sex itself. It's just that they don't have that phwoar feeling towards another person which, for most, is the key to sexual attraction.

Except not all asexual women are in relationships?

By the definition of asexuality posted earlier on this thread with the purple screenshot, I am asexual.

Meanwhile, in reality, I'm not asexual

Same.

That's what you get, when you so comedically hedge your bets with words like occasionally, sometimes, fluctuating.

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And I noticed after every single term, they confirm that you can have that term applied to you whilst also being straight, gay, bi, lesbian, queer, etc. Talk about shoehorning the (completely abandoned) basis for your existence into your shiny new mission.

Well that’s why they’re not getting pregnant, isn’t it?

No mystery there. And no need for NHS intervention.

Just discovered that I’m Demi-sexual!

I suspect large numbers of people fit that description. And grey sexual too.

Experiencing sexual attraction as caught up in an emotional connection and whether you’re in the mood or not being dependent on context and circumstances is pretty ordinary stuff.

What we used to call shagging around then

@IncomingTraffic I really think they need to get their story straight and at least decide what it is that makes them special about this label and what exactly they're being discriminated about. Because they're contradicting themselves all over the place. If they have sex that's how they get pregnant. Not fancying it isn't a cause for IVF. We all have to have sex when we don't fancy it when we're TTC for a while, it's long been remarked upon on the infertility boards that it becomes a chore.

Ace is the umbrella term for people who
experience a lack of, varying, or occasional experiences of romantic or sexual attraction.

So unless your sexual attraction is relentlessly unvarying, you're asexual.

it's the genuine non-asexual, according to their definition, who is the most marginalised of rare beasts indeed.

Money grabbing idiots.

If you RTFT you will see I've said a number of times that lesbians are expected to inseminate at home with donor sperm before they get referred for IVF.
IVF is not first-line treatment for anyone. ANYONE.

From the NHS:
"According to NICE, women aged under 40 should be offered 3 cycles of IVF treatment on the NHS if:

• they've been trying to get pregnant through regular unprotected sex for 2 years
• they've not been able to get pregnant after 12 cycles of artificial insemination, with at least 6 of the cycles using a method called intrauterine insemination (IUI)"

A special name for people who don't like tea is long overdue. I hereby come out as Atea. I'm also somewhat ambivalent towards Tunnocks. Please don't display your prejudice towards the Atea and Atunnocks communities.

I've learnt 2 new terms on this thread - demi sexual and grey sexual (I had to look up both on Google) and my conclusion is what an absolute load of bollocks 😂

Stonewall used to be a respected organisation, what the hell happened to them?

From now on I think I'll identify as hemidemisemisexual 🎶🎶

According to these NICE guidelines, in theory as long as a woman has been trying for at least 12 months, they can be considered. There is no mention of relationship status or sexuality as a qualifier.

So technically, an asexual woman who has tried and failed 12 rounds of insemination can qualify.

Any woman should qualify if they tick those boxes.

I could be a/demi/bi/grey/blue/green/non/u/rsvp and I probably still shouldn't be talking about my sex life at work.
Or at the dinner table.

Stonewall is basically run by people who grew up on tumblr isn’t it

can they actually even see how ludicrous they look

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But I wasn’t replying to you, I was replying to the poster who said this: No one should be given fertility treatment on the NHS if they are fertile without any other issue than not having PIV sex.

not quite the same, is it?

I’ve also shared that link, and it can still apply to asexual women as the information does not specify ‘lesbians’, just ‘women’.

Frankly, I think that the NHS should absolutely not be providing IVF to women who do not have partners.

Choosing not to have sex at all is not a fertility treatment issue.

This is the problem with a lot of DEI stuff. You end up in absurd situations where you’re having to explain that people who simply don’t want to have sex should not qualify for NHS fertility treatment. I don’t care if those people are in asexual relationships or if they’re single or whatever - it’s just ludicrous that there’s any question that the NHS should be entertaining this as an issue requiring fertility treatment.

It not bigoted to exclude women whose only problem for conceiving is that they just don’t fancy regular sex with their husband from NHS fertility treatment.

I agree. Other peoples sex lives are just not relevant to the 99.99999% of people/interactions.

I work in the creative industries and get regular questionnaires re: the state of the industry. There are always questions about working with trans/gay/bisexual people. I always answer the same - the only thing I am interested in when working with a client or an art director is how good they are at their job and how nice they are to work with. I don't to want to hear about their sexuality/diet/religion etc because it has no relevance. If a client started telling me about their sexuality I'd think they were really weird (and very unprofessional).