Trans 13yo suing West Virginia over bar on males in female sport starts puberty blockers.

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Becky Pepper-Jackson (previously discussed on MN as an example of how yes, every single male in female sports has an enormous - negative - impact on girls & women) is now, aged 13, taking puberty blockers in a bid to win the ACLU-backed lawsuit against West Virginia’s ban on male participation in female sport.

The lawsuit alone has been rumbling on for years; Becky transitioned young & from available photos, has not only just entered puberty. While I’m delighted Becky seemingly wasn’t put on blockers at the first sign of puberty hitting given the brutal nature of the drugs & the lack of reversibility; it makes their use now seem like a calculated attempt to somehow circumvent the rules. It’s very clear Becky’s mother is pushing this, too - “we don’t like being in the spotlight” (but I’ll turn my child into the figurehead of a campaign movement & [allow the] supply [of] publicity images to various organisations: very convincing, that 🤨).

Absolute main character syndrome again - the conviction the law is an attack on “trans girls” not a defence of the rights of women & girls 🙄

“keep them out of sports!”

No one is saying transpeople have to be kept out of sport, just in correct sex categories or an open (and at the moment unwanted) category.

If you’d be truthful we could have a better conversation Mish

Poor trans kids can't win with you lot.
That’s because we’re not claiming to be trans-age & doing the junior park run.

Oh, they have an advantage having gone through puberty, keep them out of sports!
It’s just a matter of males, however they identify, competing in their own sex category. Females who take testosterone are of course ineligible to compete in the female category; & will be barred from some male sports depending on the governing body’s rules. Doping cannot be permitted simply because an individual claims they hold a particular identity.

Oh look at all the gold medal winners in the Olympics? Oh there are none.
Leaving aside the fact you’re wrong (Canada, Football, 2020) - what does that have to do with anything?
“Trans girls & trans women are not destroying ELITE sport - they’re just stopping whole demographics from being able to participate in sport of any kind; taking scholarship opportunities away from girls who were relying on them to access higher education; & causing life-changing injuries to girls & women: what are women complaining about? [insert gendered pejoratives, eg pearl-clutching here]”
Not exactly a winning argument; not least because there are several TW athletes who have been prevented from competing at the Olympics (& indeed Paralympics) by changes in the rules as more & more sport’s governing bodies recognise that fairness & safety have to be prioritised over the woolly concept of the “inclusion” of a self-selecting group of males in the female category.

Oh, no, cant let them go on blockers. They are too young! And what? Now try and play sport without the advantages of a male puberty? The Horror.
In this specific instance, puberty has clearly already kicked in for the child in question. They are, however, in my view, too young to consent to the, yes, horrific, long-term consequences of puberty blockers. As above, the delightfully simple answer is for males to compete in their own sex category. Not pushing lies about the nature of human sex categories & their [im]mutability would be incredibly helpful too: an alarming number of children & adolescents believe they can & will truly change their sex - any child who believes this is possible cannot give informed consent to any kind of so-called “gender affirming care”.

It does however amuse me on a Sunday reading all the pearl clutching.
You have to get your kicks somehow. Being a raging misogynist amongst the feminists seems an odd choice to me, but you do you, etc 🤷‍♀️

Remember, the trans adults of today were the trans kids of yester-year.
And I have entire range of bridges available at bargain prices 🙄 There’s an abundance of men who transition as adults who didn’t identify as “trans kids” (& not due to lack of language etc). Trying to retrofit tales of Always Having Known is both shameless & shameful.

And it remains, very low regret rates.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The research into this is poor - enormous numbers lost to follow-up; clinics ceasing contact with/care of desisters (a group highly likely to regret; & more importantly, to need considerable support); studies looking only at the short term… lots of effort has gone into preventing the study of this, too: rather undermines the lack of regret claim 🤨

Ah, on with my cappuccino. More froth!
Maybe you should try espresso instead? Might help you to wake up & smell the coffee.

Your misogyny is showing yet again mishy.

Froth, eh? Pearl clutching?

All thrown in with a blatant disregard for women and girl’s safety. And an even greater disregard for childen’s health.

Your contempt never tires, does it? You try to position yourself as some kind of activist for trans people, but fail at every opportunity. Because you end up making it all about your entrenched prejudice about women who disagree with you.

“you lot”. More dehumanising. You come across as really hating women.

And with each post, you show you do not actually care about those trans people. Here you are spreading what you have been told, and have been shown with numerous studies, papers and from original source material, is misinformation.

As for regret rates, shall we post the studies again for you mishy? Just so that you cannot say you haven’t seen them. The numerous studies showing that even before the massive increases in female adolescents seeking transition, the ‘regret’ rate was never as low as extreme trans activists have attempted to depict.

Gosh… Dr Az recently told the world 26% of his patients experienced ‘regret’ after starting medicalisation. And the USA military health insurance review showed that 30% of those starting hormone treatment stopped their treatment within 4 years.

Please stop spreading misinformation in your attempt to derogate and deride women who disagree with you.

I did think this. This child is very clearly male and no blocker is going to change that.

Every single time I read of cases of children being given completely unnecessary dangerous medication it breaks my heart.

How parents and doctors can put children through this with no regard for their physical health is quite beyond me.

This.

More trampoling over girls by trans. Get your own category within the mens/boys and leave girls/women alone.

"He claimed that West Virginia's law 'goes out of its way to select criteria that do not create athletic advantage but do a perfect job of accomplishing the function of excluding transgender students based on their transgender status.'
'(The law) could have been drafted to actually adopt criteria that are relevant to athletic performance, but it doesn’t,' he continued. 'It picks criteria that define being transgender.'"

I mean how would you draft a law about the advantage of someone being born male competing in womens sports without reference to them being male/trans.

The advantages of being male are heart size, fast twitch muscle fibres, pelvis shape, no hormone cycle due to menstruation etc. are they proposing that every girl competing be tested for all that rather than just those born male being excluded from competition.

Also how would you prove someone doesn't have an advantage at a sport like the discus, have them throw a few times and if they don't do better than the girls then thats all tickety boo? What happens then if they weren't giving their all and win the big competition? Did they train harder and achieve through hard work or did being male allow them to get significantly better?

I wish parents like the one in that article would tell their children that its ok to practice at a sport and not compete because you have an advantage that makes it unfair. Instead women and girls are always expected to budge up

Utter nonsense.
Have you forgotten the three transwomen who won Bronze, silver and gold in the same race?
Nobody is advocating for anyone of either sex to be kept out of sport. We are all advocating for fairness for every competitor. The only way to guarantee fairness is to first categorise competitors by sex.
In the Paralympics, once the competitors are categorised by sex, they are then categorised by disability. There would, quite rightly, be a massive riot if someone who self-declared themselves disabled was allowed to enter against athletes who were actually disabled, I’m sure you’d agree.
So, the argument about puberty being a deciding factor is absolute bollocks. No female should have to compete against males in the vast majority of sporting categories, regardless of age or pubertal status.
Females deserve fairness.

Oh look at all the gold medal winners in the Olympics? Oh there are none.
Leaving aside the fact you’re wrong (Canada, Football, 2020) - what does that have to do with anything?

I don't think there were any males in that team. IIRC there was one (female) player who identifies as nonbinary.

The Finnish doctor who ran the paediatric service there published a piece yesterday that also said approx 30% regret rate…

I’ll go find it.

https://www.thefp.com/p/gender-affirming-care-dangerous-finland-doctor

Mishy, you need to update your knowledge base - you are floating on a raft of disproven activist nonsense while medical science flows on without you.

"I want to keep going because this is something I love to do, and I’m not just going to give it up,” Pepper-Jackson said. “This is something I truly love, and I’m not going to give up for anything.”

Ok, so compete as Becky in the boys team then.

And not a care for biological girls who won't be able to do the thing they "truly love" because they've been pushed off the team by a natal male.

@OldCrone
Quinn is indeed female & identifies as non-binary. But MishyJDI said no trans athletes had won a gold medal at the Olympics & that is factually incorrect because Quinn exists, non-binary being “under the trans umbrella”. Obviously if Mishy had specified transwomen they’d’ve been correct; but they didn’t. Accuracy & attention to detail is, always, I believe, important.

This discussion almost always excludes a lot of people who fall under the trans umbrella - focus is all on the desires of males, what females, however they identify, want/need, doesn’t tend to come into it. Bringing the female (however they may identify) population back into things at every opportunity is also important, especially when it yet again highlights the misogyny of TRAs & their “arguments”.

Its horrendous. I think a lot of them being experimented on now won't live long.

Taking puberty blockers to exploit a loophole seems a little extreme to me.

MishyJDI

Poor trans kids can't win with you lot.
when its proved that its the children that want to be trans due to there own beliefs and not their parents they may have a shot.

Oh, they have an advantage having gone through puberty, keep them out of sports!

Yes, they have an advantage.

Oh look at all the gold medal winners in the Olympics? Oh there are none.

Why is this the standard that you put forward? just because your weightlifter bottled it. And lets not ignore the other sports where trans "women" regularly push women down the positions. Cycling, swimming, skateboarding, football, rugby etc.

Oh, no, cant let them go on blockers. They are too young!
When you have definitive proof that puberty blockers don't damage the children , you can come back and argue your point.

And what? Now try and play sport without the advantages of a male puberty? The Horror.

The destruction of the children's bodies, bone desity etc. will make it dangerous for these children to play the sports. But you have already proved that child safety is not your main concern.

It does however amuse me on a Sunday reading all the pearl clutching.
ok

Remember, the trans adults of today were the trans kids of yester-year.

Were they? trans kids are a relatively new phenomena

And it remains, very low regret rates.
You know this how? are they asking those that actually transitioned? or those that just identify with no or little transitioning.

Ah, on with my cappuccino. More froth!
Your lack of a cohesive argument is made.

@FrippEnos

Oh look at all the gold medal winners in the Olympics? Oh there are none.

Why is this the standard that you put forward? just because your weightlifter bottled it. And lets not ignore the other sports where trans "women" regularly push women down the positions. Cycling, swimming, skateboarding, football, rugby etc.

In a recent Brazilian jiu jitsu competition in the US, one women's weight category (160-169 lbs) had only transgender women entries in it. Women are beginning to self-exclude, someone stated.

The ruling organisation changed its policy after that meet, because of the average difference in male and female power greatly matters in grappling sports.

If you follow cycling in the US you will find a surprisingly* large number of transgender women getting on the podium in various types of events. In several I have seen during the last few years, two out of three podium places have gone to transgender women cyclists.

*The numbers are higher than expected on the basis of just the relative numbers of male and female competitors in the women's categories. I have been told that the male pelvis gives an extra sex-linked advantage in cycling.

Just a quick list of transwomen that are national or international women's champions.
https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/3/1/22948400/transgender-trans-athlete-championship-national-world-title

I'm sure most of us have seen this before but shewon.org is a good resource for showing the scale of this problem, and how it's been getting worse for women athletes year on year as more shameless men decide to take advantage of 'gender identity' eligibility rules.

I feel sorry for the young boy in this who has been lied to by his parents and the medical establishment that he can ever change sex in any meaningful way.

THAT is abuse, never mind giving him drugs that will irrevocably harm his body.

As for "froth"?

People standing up against the medicalisation of CHILDREN and attempting to stop them being sucked into a harmful and dangerous ideology, is froth is it?

You really are a disgusting individual.