School sports

[AlphaTransWoman]

Do you think it is ever acceptable to force a child assigned male at birth to participate in contact sports at school such as football or rugby. If so do you appreciate the distress this may cause to children born with a male body who have a female gender identity?

I can assure you this isn't a uniquely male experience. Skinny, short, uncoordinated non-sporty girls also suffer the humiliation of always being picked last and hate it just as much. It's nothing to do with gender identity.

Has this OP been buffering since 1895?

I've always seen contact sports as a sort of ritualised combat, designed to provide a relatively safe outlet for male aggression. I can't understand why any female would be interested in participating in such a thing.

Lol. What a bouncer!

This is a male born poster who likes to describe themself as 'submissive', but only if they can a) determinedly link it to being an innately female characteristic and b) have an audience.

They don't appear to have an understanding of, or affinity with, women at all.

Just their own, personal, private version, which they like to air - on here.

All in my humble (but informed) opinion, of course 😁

What aversion?! What are you talking about?!

I literally cannot relate to what you're stating.

It's fine if you don't like sport, no one cares, do what you want.

If you went to a school where rugby was compulsory and you were distressed by that, then that's something to take up with your parents. They presumably knew what the ethos of the school was when they chose it.

It has literally nothing to do with male or female or gentler identities or whatever else.

I've several very talented women's rugby playing friends who would take serious issue with you thinking that makes them a man.

I do have a smidgeon of sympathy for the OP... they were likely bullied and told to Man Up for not being masculine enough. They areva product of this. They arecalso perpetuating it now, losing sympathy... but if boys and girls were allowed to have their personalities and not be confined by stereotypes they would be a lit happier.

@AlphaTransWoman I went to a sexist school too. I felt exactly as you did in PE- hated every minute of it. It put me off sports for life.

I bought into the idea of having a 'female brain' too when I was younger but I grew to realise that you can be male and hate stereotypically male things and that's fine.

As I said on the last thread- you keep mixing up sex, gender and personality. Your feelings are not sex. Stereotypes (even those with some truth) are not sex.

Your view of what women and men are like is much narrower than most people's. Do you really think this world view makes you happy?

Both my preschooler’s rugby coaches are women who are very keen on rugby. Playing it and teaching kids to play it.

liking rugby is an interest. It’s not a sex characteristic.

I have to say that seems wrong to me given the aversion girls would have to physical sport and competitive activity. It seems unfair to treat them the same way as boys.

Let me help you there-

Some children have an aversion to physical sport and competitive activity. It seems unfair to treat them the same way as children that don't.

It's got the sum total of fuck all to do with sex or gender identity. Some kids are sporty, some aren't. School PE is a bit shit for those that aren't.

I play rugby and also netball. I am a woman.

Just get on and do it. As someone said you have to do maths and other subjects.
Children are or should be playing touch rugby at school not the same as the full-on adult game.
May we also not devalue language.
Sex is the key word not gender.
One might dislike a sport not hate it.
Back to the real world please.

Spot on!

Maate!

you went to an all-boys school, whoever was picked last was a male!

Rugby isn’t my son’s thing either but it wasn’t an issue in a working class school in the inner city so (no playing field, let alone rugby goal posts)

I was useless at sports, hated pe at school, always got picked last. Nothing to do with gender identity nonsense. There are thousands of kids of both sexes just like this. Not everyone is sporty.

@Datun
"Lol. What a bouncer!"
Georgette, is that you?

all of these ladies are closeted transmen according to OP!

They're useful for cricket teas too, of course. Nice hearty fare for the teams, and a plate of crustless cucumber sandwiches for the ladies to pick at.

Haha!! When you're trying to find a non deletable way of saying stop fucking lying, sometimes only Georgette will do.

When Katherine Switzer wanted to run the Boston marathon she didn't decide she must be a man. She ran as a woman, she defied the authorities that tried to stop her, she physically resisted the men who tried to remove her from the race. That's what a woman is like (just the one mind, not all of them).
History is full of women who challenged sex based restrictions - wearing trousers, boxing, becoming firefighters etc. They didn't shrug and say we have to live with the world as it is. They were/are brave and bold and rejected the limits society try to impose on them. They pushed for opportunities to play sports, to have safe spaces, to have careers and now a generation of men are taking that away rather than fighting for recognition as non conforming men.

Slightly off-topic, but I've just read OP's AMA where they advance the view that, should a devout Muslim woman be unable to use a toilet because OP (an obvious male) is in there, that's just the woman's silly fault and problem.

Woman from minority group loses 100% of her provision in order that a male can select their preference from ALL the spaces. Back to the good old urinary leash.

But wants sympathy for not liking rugby?

Fuxake. Cry me a fecking river.

LoL Thanks Datun. as elegantly put as GH would have done.

It has been said time and time
again. There is a disconnect though. The OP seems incapable of taking it onboard. Hence the suggestions that they are not posting with good faith.

Personally, I don't think it's got anything to do with rugby.

Rugby is the mechanism by which the OP can claim that they're actually a submissive woman.

The OP knows full well that women play sport!!

And I am always a georgette heyer fan!!

Next we will be told it is unseemly for women to play any sport where she might get warm and perspire.

I suspect the OP merely 'glows'.