School sports

[AlphaTransWoman]

Do you think it is ever acceptable to force a child assigned male at birth to participate in contact sports at school such as football or rugby. If so do you appreciate the distress this may cause to children born with a male body who have a female gender identity?

It’s early & I’ve no patience with this shit. You have to be on the wind up now

di you seriously think girls don’t play contact sports

fuck ne I’m embarrassed for you. I bet you are loving all this attention though

Why like a punishment for being male?

I'm a teacher. All pupils are allowed to opt out of contact rugby. Given ever increasing research into lifelong effects of repeated concussion, many parents don't want their kids playing contact sports.

It seems to me that what you're really saying here is that it's perfectly acceptable to make boys play potentially dangerous contact sports, so long as they're not wearing a skirt/heels/lipstick. At the same time, you don't see any need to even offer girls the chance to play. This is a very outdated view of toxic gender stereotypes.

another reminder that it’s half term!!

I do have sympathy for anyone who had a horrible experience of PE at school. I hated it myself, and always felt picked on by the staff who seemed to enjoy bullying fat kids.

Good grief. What have I just read. Sorry OP but from your posts it’s clear you really have no idea how women feel in their vast variety… the beliefs you have expressed here are all based on ill informed stereotypes.

It's almost as if you don't understand that women are not all dainty flowers in skirts, and that many of us are robust, agressive athletes who enjoy contact sports.

One would think the existence of women's rugby, women's boxing, and other such contact sports would have given you a clue in this direction.

Please stop with the sexism again. You can't imagine how any women like competitive sport at all? You missed the women's football amd rugby then? Stop stereotyping everyone else.

This OP does. They are over different threads now for a week telling us what women should be like according to their stereotypes. Each post is misogynistic but the OP did an AMA and it showed there they are incapable of understanding their view is misogynistic despite many of us stating it clearly. That AMA also had this person stating they are incapable of empathy, lacking emotional intelligence and are likely ASD. But that is no excuse for this poster to continue to post in this fashion.

Here, they are, I suppose, using MN FWR as some kind of place to try to work out whether they have some kind of complaint because they were bullied as a child at school.

or they are posting deliberately to upset as many women as possible with the misogyny, the emotional manipulation, the scolding us for not being kind and for not accepting misogyny such as this stereotype crap and for accepting Mulvaney as a woman, and the inability to understand women’s lives and needs. I haven’t worked out if it is trolling or not, but the effect is still the same in my opinion.

At the point of conception sex is determined, at birth observed and recorded. You may not fit into the stereotype. You can change your body, dress, act like the stereotype preferred 'gender' but you will still be your conception/birth sex. HTH
School sports boys and girls is shit, I was always last to be picked, that wasn't a boy thing but a shit teacher thing. I wanted to play 'boy' sports, it wasn't allowed.

As an aside, is picking teams for school sports still something that happens these days?

I remember that being more of an urban myth than an actual thing even when I was at school and that was 25+ years ago. I can't believe it is a thing in today's fluffier, more inclusive world.

I used to fake an injury every week to get out of hockey because I didn't fancy being chased round a wet field by girls who were bigger, faster and sportier than me. Whether you are a boy or a girl you might be one of the ultra competitive sporty ones or one of the ones who will do anything to get out of PE. It has nothing to do with your sex. If boys were competitive and loved sports and girls hated sports and wanted to sit around sewing instead, there would be no demand for women's sports.

I suppose these days some girls will want to fake an injury to get out of hockey because they don't fancy being chased around a wet field by a boy wielding a hockey stick, but feel less able to do so for fear of being branded transphobic, even though this is actually dangerous.

We know you can’t understand!

Just stop with the misogynistic stereotypes!

Accept that you are wrong and that you have no concept of what girls and women need or like. Accept that your entire premise is constructed on your prejudices established from your childhood trauma and seriously, go and seek support.

Should a child be forced to play contact sports at school because they were born with a particular set of genitalia? Is it really a crime to be born with a penis?

I don't think any children of either sex should be made to play contact rugby. Not because it's any more humiliating or distressing or because it has anything to do with gender, but because it's dangerous.

I have to say that seems wrong to me given the aversion girls would have to physical sport and competitive activity. It seems unfair to treat them the same way as boys.

You have already filled one thread full of offensive stereotypes about women and girls to fuel your fantasies about being a submissive, ladylike woman. Was that not enough for you?

Attitudes to rugby have changed in the last 5-10 years, now it is known that head injuries aren't great for kids. Protocols for suspected concussion in any sport are a lot stricter too.

Contact rugby is/was optional at DD's school. By about the age of 9 or 10, they soon divided the classes/teams into kids that enjoy competitive sport and those that didn't.

Girls could play tag rugby with boys until year 5. I think there might be a girl's team, made up of kids who do the sport outside school, but it depends on numbers.

After year 10, kids can try "multi-sport", so can do spin classes/badminton/swimming (and a few other things).

Being active is so important for bone density and heart health. The ethos is definitely shifting to "let's find something to keep them moving", whilst keeping competitive sport for those who relish it.

I am sorry that you had a tough time with school sports, OP. Hopefully you have found an activity that you enjoy.

Troll, narcissist, idiot.

That’s my list of types of people who would post blatantly sexist bullshit on a feminism forum. I’m not ruling out all three simultaneously.

Well you’re just reinforcing the ridiculous, and meaningless, gender stereotypes made up by the misogynistic patriarchy aren’t you?

There’s many aspects of life and growing up that involve things we hate or dislike.

Having gone to an all girls schools I was frustrated by the lack of choice in sport and limited to ‘girls’ sports.

So it works both ways. Which is why ‘gender’ is a nonsense and, as you have proven, reinforces the stereotypes and doesn’t break them down.

Be careful, I'm only just back after posting something similar on the ama. Still heavily policed on here even though it is one of a very very few spaces you are even allowed to call out the sexism of stereotyping now.

I thought this was interesting:
Reading the rest of your posts it does seem that you have internalized that the rules don’t really apply to you.
It reminded me of the trans activist who was topless and fondling their boobs on the White House lawn. These people claim to be women yet ignore and trash the norms of womanhood - women's rules don't really apply to them because they know they are not really women.

@AlphaTransWoman
What attention seeking rubbish.
Why don't you pick up a book and learn what a woman is as you clearly have no idea at all about the female sex.

I can't imagine anyone on this board being in favour of that.

Or maybe watch the England Women's rugby team at the current World Cup.

Factually incorrect. Intersex may well be assigned male or female at birth.

This is definitely an experience both sexes suffer with, hockey was the brutal equivalent at my school. Netball was less aggressive but stil humiliating for some of us. Don't get me started on the compulsory showers that added to the humiliation.

If students could opt out of PE at will, many would do none at all and certainly very few would do cross country, for example. Offering different options isn’t always logistically possible.