Anyone in the middle?

[piesforever]

All I see on here is GC rants. I am in the middle, I support trans people but do agree they shouldn't take part in gender specific sport, and there needs to be more caution in "changing gender" for sure, especially hormones and surgery for young people. I do agree some are troubled or young people, who are hating puberty or have had some trauma. Let's support them overall though, it must be horrible whatever the outcome. Anyone else feel a bit of sympathy to both "sides"? In fact, why are there sides, we need to find common ground and help each other!! Instead of being furious all the time. It's not healthy.

Could be a Notts County fan (“Magpies”).

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY!

Boy George knew how to wear a man’s dress! I had a similar look back in the day - didn’t change either of ours sex

Yes.

We ought to look at exactly what the whole terrain is, here. Is 'middle ground' something that even exists/applies?

But unfortunately turned out to be a violent predatory abuser.

https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/film-and-tv/what-did-boy-george-do-what-was-boy-george-found-guilty-of-and-how-long-did-the-im-a-celebrity-star-spend-in-jail-3922505

I remember going to Glastonbury about twenty five years ago, with a male friend who absolutely rocked a sparkling flapper dress and doc martens, with some smoky kohl eyeliner. There was nothing feminine about him, just pure punk rock spirit. Very sexy indeed.

We could put all men in that outfit Ryker wears when they go to that planet where women are in charge? 🤣

you are right Arabella, just thought he was a good sartorial example of how a man can wear a dress (he was mistaken for a woman for a nanosecond at the beginning) and there be nothing feminine about it and look good

But do you want men to be able to wear dresses without remark or do you want dresses to still equal woman?

It's the heart of the matter, isn't it.

Ryker

phwooah!

not

I don't think it's women who are desperate for dresses to equal women. Women largely don't care.

It's male people who will feel they've lost something if dresses don't come with that frisson of gate kept frilly womanliness.

I too want more pocketses.

I expect that men realised that actually women's clothing is not practical for their toilet habits. Literally would be in the way with using a urinal so why bother.

How about clothing? Should the right to wear dresses be restricted on the basis of biological sex?

No one is advocating for a sumptuary law, are they?

The middle ground between men who identify with womanhood and womanhood is that the men accept what they feel.is not, in fact, womanhood and thereby free themselves to explore and understand it properly instead of trying to understand it in the frame of womanhood. Trying to jam their identity into the same box as female just means we end up with a broken box that doesn't fit either if us properly.

This.

Yep.

Not fitting into a rigid idea of what is 'masculine' does not make a man a woman. Never will. Never can.

I believe though, that your last paragraph is the desired outcome - a broken box for those special feelings.... That is the goal.

In 2021, women were finally allowed to wear trousers to the Henley Regatta.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/henley-regatta-women-trousers-sexism-b1901589.html

Womens' dress and appearance has been policed hard for many many years.

As Eresh notes above, apart from the brief sumptuary law period, I can't think of any other legal restrictions on men's clothing. Oh, tartan was banned for a bit. But that wasn't a sexed law.

I thnk there are certain men who can pull it off - David Tennant for me :)

Funny you should mention him as he's big into gender woowoo.

I'd love to ask him why a man wearing a skirt not made of tartan is a woman but a man wearing a skirt made of tartan is a man.

I can’t give you a thanks for that picture dean😂

Whereas that outfit Bianca is wearing that arabella has posted is outstanding.

And also why a woman wearing a tartan kilt does not magically morph into a man.

As far as I know, this is a one time incident where he tricked someone to his apartment because he believed that they had stolen from his computer. Maybe cocaine encouraged paranoia.

It's quite dark in that I think the victim claims to have been threatened with torture with sex stuff, but managed to escape.

It's messed up, but he may genuinely have been psychotic (by own fault of heavy cocaine use).

He beat his victim with a chain.

I don't think 'it was only once and he was psychotic because he was full of drugs' goes any way towards mitigating kidnap and torture.

His victim suffered horribly. It must have been terrifying.

If that one's for me, I had received a couple of "thanks" notifications on something I said. I figured it was only fair to point out (should the thankers want to see if they still agreed) that I'd made an edit after receiving them.
Probably an overthink on my part really as I've just remembered it's not like Twitter and nobody can see what someone else has liked/thanked.

I was taking the piss out of my own attempt to make a stirring quote, which then fell on its face because I miss-typed part of it. And then edited it. Self deprecation.