Conversion therapy to be banned - Sunak

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/19/rishi-sunak-ban-gay-and-trans-conversion-practices

Apparently Sunak to add this to the King’s Speech, banning conversion therapies for trans and gay people.

This is a potential nightmare for counsellors/psychotherapists/NHS services who want to explore trans people’s experiences of trauma and other sources of gender dysphoria. It basically means “affirming only” as far as I can tell. This is exactly why this was always a bad idea.

According to Paul Brand it'll be dropped/won't be in the King's Speech

x.com/paulbranditv/status/1715824860197228842?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

I hope so @ResisterRex. Might be good for everyone to contact their Conservative MP tonight, ahead of the meeting tomorrow. We need them to hear us.

Just emailed my local MP, y'know, the one beaten by the lettuce.

This was already reported in the Times this morning

There's a real possibility this will fracture the Tories in half, the Crispin Blunt pro ban group v the Miriam Cates anti ban group.

If ever there was proof that trans is a zero sum game, this is it.

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1715807457585295655

'The conversion therapy ban Hokey Cokey:
Theresa May : In
Boris Johnson: In, Out, In
Rishi Sunak: Out, In, Out
Possible Labour Government: In'

They may shake it all about and turn around also.

Sorry. I think this was a political whisper that got out of hand. There is often lots of trailer gossip in the press to test the support for a Bill but it seems this one didn't make the cut.

After the next GE it almost certainly won't be possible to stop it.

Observer editorial (which is different to the Guardian:

The Observer view on gender dysphoria: criminalising therapy poses risk to children’s welfareObserver editorial

NHS England’s shift to a ‘watchful waiting’ brief on trans identity faces being undermined by campaigners seeking criminal ban on ‘conversion’ treatment

^www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/22/observer-view-on-gender-dysphoria-criminalising-therapy-poses-risk-tto-childrens-welfare?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other^

Well if you want it stopped, you need the Tory party to stop it. Now! And not flip, or flop again.

All together now:

"I MUST VOTE TORY. THE PARTY THAT KNOWS WHAT A WOMAN IS!"

You're a bit late, Morris. But thanks for your helpful input, anyway.

How do you think they should prevent Labour from passing legislation once they are elected?

Surely whatever Labour does is on them, and perhaps those who vote for them?

Then it would need to go in Labour's manifesto and be openly and thoroughly talked about, including all the sticky and grim bits. In depth. So voters know it isn't a nice, shiny, fluffy, harmless policy that will only do lovely progressive good, and is a bit more of a package of poison wrapped in glitter.

I'm sorry they've bottled it. I would much rather this was dragged out and dissected now, and either sorted out in bill form or permanently abandoned than if/when we have a houseful of happy Labour delusionists being sockpuppeted by Stonewall.

We'll discover the answer to that soon.

All together now:

"I MUST VOTE LABOUR. THE PARTY THAT DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A WOMAN IS!"

May election apparently so we will all find out what parties think sooner than thought.

No decision has been made re the GE date, surely?

Very significant polls in Whitehall circles - shows that Sunak is even more unpopular with his target vote if he leaves it any longer than May.

I have had three separate people talk to me about it this morning. Expect uptick in Sunak as a personality vs Starmer and a confrontation on small boats. This wasn't mentioned

For me, I'll never understand why Sunak didn't take on non transparency of gender teaching in schools. Way more chance of success than stopping small boats, massive chance to absolutely challenge Starmer's credentials.

And the right thing to do. Proves he's bad at politics. And a moral coward.

a confrontation on small boats

A sort of gladiatorial spectacle? It might be a bit more entertaining than a normal election, I suppose.

@ArabellaScott - the relevant Supreme Court judgement will be in by this point.

Btw I don't say trans issues wouldn't feature, but apparently what really gets target voters going is small boats.

Well, whatever floats floating voters' boats, I suppose. Seems a bit niche, but there you go.

Small boats? FFS.🤦‍♀️