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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Sarah2891 · 15/10/2023 23:10

I wish they wouldn't say he's a trans prisoner. He's clearly not. He's just saying it to try and get in with the women. What a joke that they all have to call this man 'her'.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:14

Sarah2891 · 15/10/2023 23:10

I wish they wouldn't say he's a trans prisoner. He's clearly not. He's just saying it to try and get in with the women. What a joke that they all have to call this man 'her'.

Really? How do you tell the difference between a transwoman and a man trying it on?

viques · 15/10/2023 23:15

I bet the person who made the decision that he Tiffany, would be best placed ina women’s prison is on their knees right now giving thanks that that decision was overturned.

viques · 15/10/2023 23:22

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:14

Really? How do you tell the difference between a transwoman and a man trying it on?

I think it is fair to say that most trans women make a bit of an effort, apart from calling himself Tiffany I can’t see much effort in his so called transition. Maybe I am being unfair, maybe he has girl days and boy days like Pip and the photographer caught him on a very premenstrual girl day when he didn’t look his best.

Sarah2891 · 15/10/2023 23:24

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:14

Really? How do you tell the difference between a transwoman and a man trying it on?

Look at him in this photo. This doesn't look like someone even trying to attempt to look like a woman.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/15/18/76586703-12633157-image-a-1_1697389775641.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/15/18/76586703-12633157-image-a-1_1697389775641.jpg

PickAChew · 15/10/2023 23:24

He looks like your average lager lout.

Grimchmas · 15/10/2023 23:26

Yep, this is one of those never happens things isn't it.

fedupandstuck · 15/10/2023 23:30

How many times are we told by proponents of gender ideology that gender identity is an undefinable internal sense of identity and not about outwards appearances? That's the whole driver behind attempts to introduce gender self id or to make getting a GRC easier by removing the need for any kind of diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

So if Tiffany Scott says they are a woman, that is sufficient for it to be true. No questioning about their presentation or behaviour. That's how this concept of gender identity works, it's a feature not a bug.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:30

viques · 15/10/2023 23:22

I think it is fair to say that most trans women make a bit of an effort, apart from calling himself Tiffany I can’t see much effort in his so called transition. Maybe I am being unfair, maybe he has girl days and boy days like Pip and the photographer caught him on a very premenstrual girl day when he didn’t look his best.

Not according to the stonewall et al. No effort other than feeling it is required.

viques · 15/10/2023 23:34

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:30

Not according to the stonewall et al. No effort other than feeling it is required.

Shame no one told poor old India that before she went through all that surgery.

IcakethereforeIam · 15/10/2023 23:34

@Sarah2891 but look at her pronouns!

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OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:35

Sarah2891 · 15/10/2023 23:24

Look at him in this photo. This doesn't look like someone even trying to attempt to look like a woman.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/15/18/76586703-12633157-image-a-1_1697389775641.jpg

He has short hair. So do lots of women.

He's not wearing make-up. Neither do lots of women.

He's wearing jeans. So do lots of women.

He's wearing a rather odd yellow shirt / blouse. I'm not sure many women or men would go for that particular one but I wouldn't class it as a gendered item of clothing.

Basically, he and I are presenting reasonably similarly today and I'm definitely a woman.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/10/2023 23:35

Ah... no true Scotstranswoman doesn't make a bit of an effort...

ditalini · 15/10/2023 23:37

It's actually totes transphobic to expect Tiffany or any other transwoman to be femme presenting akcheloy.

Sorry, I don't make the rules.

viques · 15/10/2023 23:40

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:35

He has short hair. So do lots of women.

He's not wearing make-up. Neither do lots of women.

He's wearing jeans. So do lots of women.

He's wearing a rather odd yellow shirt / blouse. I'm not sure many women or men would go for that particular one but I wouldn't class it as a gendered item of clothing.

Basically, he and I are presenting reasonably similarly today and I'm definitely a woman.

Have you bitten anyone today?

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:42

viques · 15/10/2023 23:40

Have you bitten anyone today?

Not today but that's for nothing to do with how he or I present.

Datdamndamp · 15/10/2023 23:43

Imagine though: Prisoner Cell Block H revisited but with Tiff, Barbie Kardashian, Paris Green et al. as a full TW cast. Glinner could do the script.

viques · 15/10/2023 23:46

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:42

Not today but that's for nothing to do with how he or I present.

Has a lot to do with the way he behaves though which is the real issue about where he , and other trans women prisoners , should be held.

fedupandstuck · 15/10/2023 23:47

Regardless of claimed identity, Scott is a truly terrifying individual. Not eligible for parole due to his behaviour. Unable to be in court for hearings due to his aggression, including biting open his veins and spraying blood at people. I wouldn't want to inflict him on anyone, male or female, and I feel for the guards that have to try to handle him.

quantumbutterfly · 15/10/2023 23:47

Datdamndamp · 15/10/2023 23:43

Imagine though: Prisoner Cell Block H revisited but with Tiff, Barbie Kardashian, Paris Green et al. as a full TW cast. Glinner could do the script.

Would you be allowed to call a character vinegar tits or would that be exclusionary or phobic?

quantumbutterfly · 15/10/2023 23:49

fedupandstuck · 15/10/2023 23:47

Regardless of claimed identity, Scott is a truly terrifying individual. Not eligible for parole due to his behaviour. Unable to be in court for hearings due to his aggression, including biting open his veins and spraying blood at people. I wouldn't want to inflict him on anyone, male or female, and I feel for the guards that have to try to handle him.

Did what to his veins? Oh no 'they' are not mentally unwell at all.

WhereYouLeftIt · 16/10/2023 00:40

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:35

He has short hair. So do lots of women.

He's not wearing make-up. Neither do lots of women.

He's wearing jeans. So do lots of women.

He's wearing a rather odd yellow shirt / blouse. I'm not sure many women or men would go for that particular one but I wouldn't class it as a gendered item of clothing.

Basically, he and I are presenting reasonably similarly today and I'm definitely a woman.

You obviously haven't read anything about this extremely violent male. He enjoys causing the prison authorities as much grief as he can, so calling himself Tiffany and saying he is a woman is just one more way to make them dance to his tune. (Attacking them physically is another.)

His "rather odd yellow shirt / blouse" is the product of one of his violent outbursts, when he ripped his prison-issue shirt apart with his bare hands. It's made from quite a robust fabric, so try and get your head around the strength required to do that. It was probably another demonstration to the prison guards what he would do to them if he got the chance.

fedupandstuck · 16/10/2023 00:46

@WhereYouLeftIt I'm fairly sure that @OchonAgusOchonOh knows that and is trying to highlight the absurdity of gender ideology where all that is required to "change gender" is to make the claim. Whatever you dress as or how you behave is not relevant. Even for crazed violent life prisoners.

Lilacanemone · 16/10/2023 01:00

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/10/2023 23:35

He has short hair. So do lots of women.

He's not wearing make-up. Neither do lots of women.

He's wearing jeans. So do lots of women.

He's wearing a rather odd yellow shirt / blouse. I'm not sure many women or men would go for that particular one but I wouldn't class it as a gendered item of clothing.

Basically, he and I are presenting reasonably similarly today and I'm definitely a woman.

He has XY chromosomes. So do lots of … men.
He has a penis. So do lots of … again, men.

Wish the press would stop this nonsense “she”.

Chersfrozenface · 16/10/2023 07:37

Lilacanemone · 16/10/2023 01:00

He has XY chromosomes. So do lots of … men.
He has a penis. So do lots of … again, men.

Wish the press would stop this nonsense “she”.

We have to use the pronouns people choose for themselves.

Whoever they are. Whatever they've done.

Acceptance without exception, remember. "I am what I say I am."

The papers are only doing what they are pressured to do, particularly by the Independent Press Standards Organisation.

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