Anyone else GC and left wing in their politics?

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I am finding the conservative party conference difficult in some sense as I agree with some of their GC policies and attitudes yet would describe my self as a working class died in the will leftie. I really don't like this assumption that being for women's rights automatically means people associate you with right wing politics in general. For me it's simply not the case.

Why is it that poor now associate left with trans rights????

plenty like Rosie Duffield in the party

I really don't know if this is the case, they are sidelined so my is concern is policies will be implemented - which will never be rolled back.

My local MP is LibDem and I wrote to her a few years back about my concerns and received the equailavent of "shut up and don't be a bigot"

Me. I am also brown. I am furious at the way TRAs have been able to frame GC views as unique to older, white women. Many POC have had their entire lives framed by their sex. We know what a woman is.

Because they are I'll informed. All my friends are left leaning and support womens rights without getting hysterical about a tiny percentage of the population who are trans. Most people realise there are much, much bigger issues to worry about.

You definitely aren't the only one. The number of people in the party who I had previously admired who I've now lost respect for over this issue is huge.

It's not that I expect them to all agree with me on every issue, but it's the utter dismissal that we might have important objections which need to be addressed and them being so far into a political bubble that they can't see how batshit their comments sound to ordinary people etc.

I've always been wary of the kind of labour groups that vilify political opponents or factions in the party as being evil/bad rather than just people who we disagree with and need to listen to and address their concerns as we persuade them or come to a middle ground. So I'm not experiencing the shock others have of finding myself in the "wrong" tribe on this issue. It's always been bullshit to believe that we're morally superior than other people - conservatives largely don't hate poor people, they just disagree with us on how to help people out of poverty. So attacks on them that they are evil villains don't work any more than calling GC feminists transphobic.

We have to be able to debate ideas and policies not just yell at one another.

Me. I left Labour because of Jeremy Corbyn and the antisemitism, which I personally found gut wrenching having been Labour all my life. And I'm not going back because of their attitude to women's rights. Its essentially the same problem; pandering to the extreme views of a minority within the party, with no one senior having the guts to call it out. The treatment of Rosie Duffield has been appalling. I can't forgive, and my vote will go elsewhere - again.

Much of Left wing politics has now become like a secular religion which is detached from the nature of reality and from the actual nature of human beings. People look to the State and want for it to take care of their every need and tell them what to do ( in place of 'God'). They will sacrifice personal responsibility, self sufficiency and independence for group think and tribal loyalty - because the crowd makes them feel safe.

Yes. There are lots of us, as this thread indicates.

The tricky thing is that most, if not all, of my friends are also lefties, and quite a few of them are deep in the gender ideology. I tend to avoid the subject.

On personal voting choices, I think I'll be looking at what my local candidates say on this issue very carefully!

Yup and so are all my GC friends.

From previous threads OP, I believe the majority of Mn FWR will tell you up front they are centrist or left wing. Despite the ridiculous assertions that we are far right supporters.

It needs the be said time and time again though that supporting women’s rights and believing people cannot change sex is a politically universal belief. Ie. It crosses party boundaries.

It also needs to be said that women who are Conservative Party voters can still be feminists and can still support the exact same rights for women and girls as people from the Labour Party.

How patronising! That's another of those new Left markers that I dislike intensely - the moral righteousness and favouring of group identity over truth.

Not anymore.

The same was said about Labour's antisemitism problem - that there were "bigger issues" and that people should still vote Labour despite the hatefulness. No. Please don't dismiss such issues in such a blasé way.

This board is rammed with women who were lifelong centre/left voters and who are now at different stages of dismay, despair, anger and indifference. There are some who plan to vote Conservative for tactical reasons but I think most of us just don't know yet how we're going to vote.

There are also Conservative supporters here, probably more than there used to be and we rub along pretty well together and chat amicably, which visitors to this board often find discombobulating but personally, it's one of the things I like about this place.

As for me I've voted Labour all my life. I've not decided whether I'll vote for them again but what I do know is that all my respect and regard for them has gone. All of it. I have to warn you, it can make you doubt other things you used to believe too, because inevitably you start wondering what else they might have got so totally wrong.

I suspect the person/people ill informed is you and those friends. And yet you cannot see how very ill informed you actually are.

Yes I struggle because I hate most of what the Tories do and stand for but find myself agreeing with right wing policies and news reports when it comes to sex and gender.

I was left wing. I maybe still am - I'm not sure what left wing means these days. The labour party used to be about the material conditions of the working classes, now I don't know what they are about. Do they even know?

Kay Burley on Sky seemed totally unaware of the distinction between sex and gender when interviewing Mark Harper, quite shocking for someone who positions herself as sharp and on the ball and who doesn’t let politicians get away with waffle. The Sky reporter she spoke to after the interview said the Tories were taking the “men are men and women are women” line because it was cheap and appealed to their base. This may be true but it’s depressing that there was no acknowledgment that GC views are held across all supporters of all parties and that it’s not just a “Tory base” view.

Yes, lots of us! The Morning Star is the only openly gender critical newspaper.

Me too, GC and left-wing. I can’t see myself ever voting Tory. However, I’m increasingly finding the tribalism of the Left to be quite terrifying. Trans rights trump women’s rights. Women are Nazis and bigots for not wanting to share their single-sex spaces. It’s absolutely unbelievable, this hatred of women that has bubbled to the surface.

In my experience the vast majority of GC feminists are left leaning. The idea that GC is a right wing stance has always been a slur to shut us up, which proves the people using it know lots of us are actually left wing as calling right wing people right wing doesn't function as a silencing tactic.

This! I am so angry with the Labour Party over this.

Yes, it was depressing to watch. And Burley (not Adams!) failed to acknowledge there is another side to the debate that is worthy of respect in a democracy! Taking a neutral position and sticking to the facts seems to be out of the scope of reporters these days.

That's was to @FigRollsAlly

im a centre floating voter, I joined the Lib Dem’s and campaigned with them about Brexit. Then I joined the Greens. But saw what they did to Shahrar Ali and women’s rights. I’ll probably be a single issue voter next time and it will be women’s rights that get my vote.