Anyone else GC and left wing in their politics?

[mids2019]

I am finding the conservative party conference difficult in some sense as I agree with some of their GC policies and attitudes yet would describe my self as a working class died in the will leftie. I really don't like this assumption that being for women's rights automatically means people associate you with right wing politics in general. For me it's simply not the case.

Why is it that poor now associate left with trans rights????

Me. Never voted anything but Labour until this shit show proved how profoundly sexist left wing parties could be; and worse, how they were prepared to champion utter stupidity and lies in order to remain morally 'pure '.

Don't know what to do for this coming election. Desperate to vote Labour but I'm going to need to see much more backtracking and a firm commitment to women before I risk it.

Yep, Labour voter all my life. Can’t stand the Tories and what’s happened in the last 12 years, won’t vote for them.

As noted above I’m politically homeless.

I live in a very safe Tory seat so it doesn’t really matter anyway.

Most of us are from the Left, or would have usually identified that way - but the fundamental conflicts and issues at the heart of trans ideology and its impact upon women and girls has caused many to lose faith in the Left; and even, more radically - to question all previous assumptions and political loyalties.

It is not so much that people have turned to the right - that they now automatically question dogma; are far more realistic in their assessment of politics and policies - and having been let down greatly by those who claim to be of the Left , are now super critical of them; holding them to account for their lazy and cliched assumptions and embrace of american style identity politics.

Having largely abandoned group identity the most important value now is to seek the truth of any situation. That includes questioning this automatic assumption that anything that is perceived as 'not left' is therefore 'right wing'; and by extension that right wing = evil bigotry.

Also there is nothing inherently bad about conservatism. Conservatism seeks to retain that which works or functions well - not to endlessly over-throw in pursuit of some imagined ideal world.

Me as well, very left leaning and GC. Most of us are it seems.
It doesn't fit the right wing harpies "they want to kill us" narrative they TRAs project.

I'm another. Voted Labour or Green at all previous elections, will never vote Tory as I stand against everything they believe in, so where do I go now?

For me personally I will still vote Labour as they're not as batshit as Greens re gender issues, and to me there are more important things - my bottom line very simplistic view is that a women's refuge which permits transwomen is better than no refuge at all, and whilst not literally that seems to me figuratively the fundamentals of the difference. I think the two main parties are different, though there is clearly overlap.

Me. It’s not rare.All my female friends who are GC are labour / lefty of some description, I have more male friends and acquaintances who vote Tory sometimes who are GC but they are not hard right American Christians type. And I know loads of lefty men who are GC.

Cameron legalised same sex marriage.

Hitler was a vegetarian.

It is a trap to adopt or eschew views on a party basis.

The Left has become puerile and tribalistic. So much hatred and venom and demonisation of anyone who doesn't subscribe to identity politics and its mantras.

Me too. Can someone copy Keir in?

Yes. This issue has revealed some enormous blind spots and weaknesses in UK leftwing parties. They seem to me to be built around self justification, convinced of their own righteousness and actually incapable of listening to different views.

It's all very depressing.

That feeling is cognitive dissonance. The left of centre need to up their game on all of this.

Listened to Kay Adams grill some tory bloke on the news just now. She LAUGHED at him when he pointed out gender was different to sex and told him Rishi broke the law yesterday 🤦‍♀️

Yes I’ve campaigned for women’s rights from within the Labour Party and find it extraordinary that it’s the Tories that lead on this issue.
Do I have to give up my sex based rights as a woman if we have a Labour government?

Me, very left wing politically and GC.

I think we need to vote Labour/ whatever candidate stands best chance of keeping a Tory out and continue to go hard for women's and girls rights at the same time.

Me! My thought on it is that I’m not “anti-trans” in any way (which, rightly or wrongly I see as the more right wing position), but “pro-women,” which is commonly left wing.

But politically, yes I’ve joined the ranks of the homeless. I’m in what was a safe Tory seat but has started looking uncomfortable for them. I’ll likely vote Labour to get rid of the blue. But it’ll be with a very heavy heart (and many letters to any incoming MP!).

Defo me.
I couldn't vote Tory even if it meant certain death.
Labour are a let down on their stance but I figure you are unlikely to find a party where you agree with everything

Yep, have voted Labour all my life. Extremely disappointed & depressed by their utter bellendery on this issue for a number of reasons

1. they all fucking know what a woman is
2. that being the case, they’re either too scared of the TRA in Labour to say so and they’re liars. Neither is a good look
3. their continued treatment of Rosie Duffield & Labour women’s declaration shows that any admission that yes women need single sex spaces is done extremely grudgingly
4. the ongoing use of “safe spaces” to fudge the issue
5. the fact that women’s rights matter so little to them. I don’t expect the Tories to be better on this, they’re all about the individual but Labour are meant to be about society and when push came to shove, they sided with the patriarchy

I'm very much a left wing socialist feminist and have voted labour all my life. I could never vote Tory, but I won't vote for a party that wants to take away my rights. I also believe that women died so I had the right to vote, and it's my duty to not take that for granted and so I should always vote. I went to vote on the day of my grandad's funeral I believe it that strongly.

Labour have horrified me with their recent behaviour. The authoritarian streak they have displayed recently around this issue is really worrying. And the Greens and Lib Dem's are as bad as creationists they're that anti science with the rubbish they come out with. After the Challenor affair in both parties I wouldn't trust them with anything.

The last local election, for the first time in my life I didn't bother voting. And the previous two times I spoiled my ballot paper.

If Labour's manifesto goes far enough and they spend the next year leading up to the election making clear strong statements that confirm that when they talk about single sex spaces they mean people who were born female and have never had a penis then I may be able to vote for them. But I don't believe or trust them at the moment, and think we'll have self id if they get in. And I won't be responsible for voting for that, so it's looking like another spoiled ballot paper for me. I live in a swing seat too.

I live in a solid Labour area and my local MP has refused to meet with women in her constituency on the issue of women's rights/gender ideology. We've been told " we are wasting our time" and that she won't " be changing her mind". There is not one chance I'll be voting for her - how could I?

I look at Angela Raynor ( can't stand her); David Lammy ( women are dinosaurs); Lisa Nandy and others who signed a document calling women's groups "hate groups". I look at Russsell Lloyd Moyle; Michael Cashman, Nadia Whittome and many others and simply cannot vote for them after all they've said and done.

And Kier Starmer is feeble fence sitter who cares more about being elected than standing up for the dignity of women and girls. The Labour party are still wedded to, and having their policies dictated by, Stonewall.

Very left wing. But I'm not sure I've ever seen feminism as naturally belonging to the left. You don't have to have had much contact with the far left or SWP-types or even union crowd to realize there's as much hatred of women there as on the far-right. Labour doesn't have a particularly good record getting women into senior jobs.

Me, I’m raging about how so many left wing men have just sold women out. I’m tired of being called a bigot and worse because I do not believe that anyone can change sex and women need their own spaces/services.

I vote both in the UK and NZ but with the upcoming NZ election, I have no one to vote for unless I want to support the demolition of social welfare.

Me I left the LP over it.
Now politically homeless.
Wes talks sensibly about this but whilst Starmer is still leader and refuses to acknowledge us or his treatment of Rosie I won't vote for them.

The trans/GC culture war is a gift to the right from the TRA lobby. I wish I could say the TRAs walked into a carefully laid trap but no, the TRAs (and organisations like Stonewall who needed a new cause after same sex marriage was won) led a lot of well-meaning "be kind" folk into an unsustainable position - TWAW - and the right said "Thank you very much". The people for whom the 2004 act was framed to help got left behind in the new alphabet soup of identities - this movement has left them more marginalised in my opinion.

There are so many holes in TWAW that its impossible to defend logically and by framing it as left versus right, the right are able to use it to smear left-wing causes by association. They even managed to scoop up centrists in their net - incredibly "Define a woman" is now political kryptonite.

As long as TWAW and self-ID are shibboleths of this movement, they, and people who agree with it, will be fish in a barrel for the right and the left and socially liberal will continue to be tarred with the same brush. Being gender critical is not siding with the rights culture war but supporting TWAW and self ID uncritically is feeding it.

Finally, de-platforming and censoring GC speakers from the mainstream has led them to use any platform that will have them. I understand their desire to get their voice heard but by using (often extreme) right wing outlets they are also helping to cement this faux right/left division on the subject.

I am left of centre.

How do you do that when your Labour MP is fundamentally wedded to trans ideology and has the Mermaids icon on their twitter account?