Anyone else GC and left wing in their politics?

[mids2019]

I am finding the conservative party conference difficult in some sense as I agree with some of their GC policies and attitudes yet would describe my self as a working class died in the will leftie. I really don't like this assumption that being for women's rights automatically means people associate you with right wing politics in general. For me it's simply not the case.

Why is it that poor now associate left with trans rights????

Me. And luckily my local labour MP is an absolute beacon on this. Could never bring myself to vote Tory.

Me and DH. Would both describe ourselves as far left but we are left flummoxed with this issue. Our local Lab MP is overall very good though so I would probably continue to vote for her even with my total disappointment with the party as a whole (not just on this issue!).

Me, though I live in a Lib.Dem/Con. marginal and it would be a cold day in hell before i'd vote for either of them. Not LD because they're nearly as bad as the Greens on this. I'd never usually consider voting Con. <shudder> but a Labour/LD coalition could absolutely see us thrown under the bus. My current MP, I have no idea of her views on this. The SDP, who still exist, know what a woman is, I'm hoping they'll field a candidate otherwise it's spoiling my ballot.

Same here. I was a card carrying member of the LP for years, went to meetings, agreed with their policies, but then it all changed and they turned against women and girls. In their current state there's no way I can vote for them. I can't bring myself to vote Tory either and the other parties are even worse than Labour so out of the question.

Me - never voted anything but Labour. I’ve got a hardcore old school corbynista momentum friend and he wants people to tactically vote to get Labour in but with a small majority so Keir can’t run amok

Me. I understand how the trans agenda has become lumped in with gay rights and therefore fits in with the socially-liberal ethos of the Left. And I fully support people's right to believe in gender, if they like. But the authoritarian element of it - "if you don't believe what we tell you, then we're allowed to bully you into submission" is practically theocratic. And the hyper-individualism of it - "I determine my identity with reference only to myself, without consideration of others' perspectives " is very anti-socialist. And the lack of concern for women and children, is aeons away from the socially responsible side of the Left.

It's worth noting that Labour have changed their policy on this. They now state that sex and gender are different, they've dropped their support for self-ID, and they say they will ensure that single-sex organisations and spaces are permissible.

My justification fir voting Labour despite this is that Labour, ir a Kabour led coalition will be the only way of bringing about a change in the voting system and PR, which eventually will lead to both main parties breaking up as they both have wings thst hate each other and would be better as separate parties, eventually leading to more choice. I think fairly soon the chickens will come home to roost on trans ideology when more and more children who have been damaged by this start suing Mermaids/Stonewall/Tavistock and their global counterparts that the whole thing will fall apart ( I hope).

There's nothing inherently left wing about gender ideology.

Every truly GC person I know is left wing. And by GC I mean critical of ALL gender be it traditional right wing or neo liberal trans ideology. Both positions are based on the same regressive stereotypes and both centre the male sex.

Leaving aside children who've been sadly misinformed by adults who should know better, everyone knows what human sex is. The question is who is willing to lie about it for what they perceive to be the greater good.

GC left wingers aren't the only group unwilling to lie about sex. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone really.

Other groups of people that I personally know, who aren't full on GC but who do not lie about sex:

People who are economically conservative but socially very liberal - tend to vote Conservative but not always.

People from other cultures - first and second generation immigrants - who are somewhat socially conservative. Previously assumed to be Labour voters but, in my area at least, this is no longer a given.

To add: I suspect these two groups are the ones who will happily vote Conservative over this issue.

Me. It seems only the Tories are making sense on sex and gender but I could never vote for them on any other policy

You feel it is contradictory because historically the left has always advocated for marginalised groups while the right has persecuted them. GC feminism joins the basest of the British right wing press and American Christian evangelicals in whipping up hatred for trans people.

Left wing.

Lifelong Trades Union member and branch official, environmentalist (for decades, been checking food miles and limiting my flying hours since the 1980s,), church-goer (hooray for the prophet Amos and for De Rerum Novarum), voted yes to equal marriage and for women's choice (again and again since the early 80s), don't believe in gender and the stereotypes gender theory needs to support it.

Don't know how I'll vote next time, but at least we (in Ireland) have a more representative electoral system than the UK.

Lol at the idea that a group that have got their ideology embedded in the NHS, local government, education, the arts, media, magic circle law firms & banks to the extent the Bank of England lights up their building in trans colours is ‘marginalised’

No it doesn't. I haven't said anything hateful. You being dishonest helps nothing.

We've given plenty of examples in this thread where the Left has oppressed marginalised groups. Did you not understand these? You can always ask if things aren't clear, we don't mind clarifying.

https://deadwildroses.com/2019/10/07/handy-venn-diagrams-the-radical-feminist-position-on-gender/

Please look at this diagram. Take a moment to actually understand it.

Gender idealogues have as much in common with traditional right wing conservative thinking as anyone else.

The green circle is the only one that offers emancipation for women. It also allows trans people to be however they like. Just without the lies and boundary violations.

The homophobia of gender ideology does suggest it's more at home with the traditional Right. Remember that the CEO of Stonewall compared exclusive same-sex sexual orientation to racism. Just imagine if Sunakn did that

Yep. Only ever voted Labour. And like many PP, I'm now politically homeless

Absolutely

Also, for those who seem to want to post on this board but are too pure of mind to actually attempt to read and understand anything feminists are saying, GO AND READ THE BIOGRAPHIES OF ADULT TRANS PEOPLE.

There are tonnes on the internet. In their own words, read about the abusive, homophobic and sexist environments which prompted their transitions.

Feminists have empathy for these experiences. But they seek to change the environments - end the abuse, homophobia and sexism - not change people's bodies and compel people speech.

How dare you? I have fought for LGB and trans rights to employment all my life. Your misogyny has blinded you.

Me. There is a lot of propaganda in the trans privilege movement and a lot of self identifying as left wing whilst spouting very regressive policies. I think the pretence that GC is a right wing movement helps attract some, maybe often younger, trans supporters who want to pretend to be progressive whilst doing none of the work and thinking.

I am so angry and frustrated by it all. I have consistently voted Labour and was a member for years and I so want to vote for them because I really need to see this Corrupt self-serving Tory government out. but I can't on principle abandon women's rights.
The fact that Labour is determined to pass laws that will be to the detriment of women means I can't in all conscience give them my vote. I will not live with the knowledge I was instrumental in throwing women's rights, dignity, safety, and privacy away.
It's an uphill struggle to change laws once enacted It has already taken hundreds of thousands of pounds and endless hours and grief for people involved already to reaffirm women's rights, as in the case of Forstater and Bailey and other ongoing issues.
Yet I can't not vote, it's such an important principle to me for women to use their vote, so honestly, I think I will spoil my ballot with XX in protest. It won't change the result in my area, so in a FPTP system it holds no weight, but at least I will know I never abandoned women and can live with that.

Me! Was Lab Party member for almost 30 years since a teen. Same with trade union. Stood as a councillor couple of times ( no chance seats of course!). Working class background and did all that I was meant to do to get myseld out of poverty as I could do. Managed to get to uni and got a qualification but I have still ended up poor. (Got ill). I could never vote Tory, I love their views on refugees and the NHS . I despise their attacks on welfare claimants . Tories are the biggest crooks out. But Labour are such a let down. And don't talk to me about the rest ! So I am politically homeless. I spoiled my voted at the Council elections. Our MP is Labour who is big pals with "Suzy" Fecking Izzard.

Me. And like others, am really struggling to know who to vote for.

Not at all. Gc is not about hating trans people. It's about recognising that people don't change sex. So whilst I don't care how a man identifies or what he wears, I do care if he thinks that entitles him to enter women's spaces.

Me. Generally always voted Labour, v occasionally Lib Dem.

Will be voting Labour at the next few elections, as a PP said I'm not a 1 issue voter and overall Labour are still the best choice (they don't seem as set ideologically re the trans issue as the SNP, Greens etc).

Can't vote SNP as they are an incompetent mess.

Labour is still the party I align with most with ideologically.