Anyone else GC and left wing in their politics?

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I am finding the conservative party conference difficult in some sense as I agree with some of their GC policies and attitudes yet would describe my self as a working class died in the will leftie. I really don't like this assumption that being for women's rights automatically means people associate you with right wing politics in general. For me it's simply not the case.

Why is it that poor now associate left with trans rights????

Completely agree

Politics on the rest of the site is mostly just insults

What do you mean by 'right wing'?

What do you mean by 'left wing'?

Can you give some examples.

FWR was wall to wall with guardian reading, labour voting lefties not so long ago. I was one of them. Most have been ex-communicated for their blasphemy.

I think this board probably does have more openly conservative posters than the other boards I know, although an even larger number are thoroughly disillusioned left-of-centre voters. I'm sure some posters think it strange or even shocking but I don't see it as a negative thing at all. I find it very refreshing.

Me too.
I'm no longer allowed at Billy Bragg gigs, so I wander lonely and sing 'I was a miner, I was a docker...' all sad, like.

Me. Left leaning but politically homeless. Most of us are I suspect.

I'm Scottish so I'm struggling to find a political party (big enough to actually gain seats) who don't hate women.

Because, let's face it, we are fucked up here. All the changes which are finally starting to gain pace in England (prisons and hospital wards) are unchanged here and it looks likely to continue that way for the foreseeable future.

All the 'GC's are right wing!!!' stuff is just such bollocks, as the odious Lorna Slater managed to demonstrate to her cost.

I read the Guardian all my life. Stopped a few years back. I'm still probably quite 'left'. But I'm fucked if I'll vote Labour or Libdem.

So we've had, what, 300ish posters saying they consider themselves to be LW (always voted LD, L, G etc) and the conclusion is because 'many' posters don't like the Guardian (the Graun and the Observer are the only papers I've ever bought, and I feel justified when criticising them) that's actually more of a definition of 'being RW' than how they vote?

Sorry but I don't agree with how you've reached that conclusion - it seems superficial and not informed by data. (Like the Tories/Labour/insert party of choice, arf)

Btw, did you know the internet has many pages on from many different newspapers? By reading an online article it doesn't mean you 'support' anything. It usually means you're looking for information. I personally avoid the DM because they have proven to lie and deliberately misrepresent things too many times for me to consider them reliable one way or another, but you can usually see what a story is about and search for a source that might report more accurately.

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Most of us were Guardian reading Labour party members and voters. I now subscribe to the Times for all of the obvious reasons - because it actually covers the issues which The Guardian is ideologically opposed to dealing with. why do you think Suzanne Moore has had to leave The Guardian, and Julie Bindel, Hadley Freeman.......loads of brilliant women. JK Rowling used to be a major Labour party donor.

At least most posters approach this topic with intelligence and interest whatever political side they’re on

The rest is a dog’s dinner most of the time

I get the Telegraph now, the bloody Telegraph, look at what they have made of us.

I've always been on the left and trans is the only issue I'm very much in disagreement with my party's official line.

I have voted Tory always but I do think lots of issues cross party lines. Eg 50% of people of Labour or Tory voted Brexit - I voted remain like lots of Tories. The gender issue is similar - crosses party lines. I think it is very boring and wrong if people think they have to have the same view as everyone else in a particular political party.

Hmm. What are your qualifications for it being more left wing elsewhere?

Sorry but we are back to this shit about women who are GC having to prove everything whereas everyone else can just believe shite and therefore it's true. It's a tactic deliberately to handicap - when there's fuck all actual evidence of anything.

There's plenty of much more right wing comments on AIBU yet, it's FWR that gets the label.

We've already addressed why there maybe more rightwing sources in FWR and why that might not be a reflection of wider political opinions but nope - that's not even considered as a valid point.

Why is that?

Because of pre-judgement and a smear campaign. Aka actual prejudice.

It's the JKR issue again. JKR is a right wing transphobic bigot.
"Okay, why what's she said that marks her as a right wing transphobic bigot?"
"Oh well she's in the Times and Mail a lot and some dipshit on social media said she was transphobic and the BBC keeps using headlines that say anti-trans rather than pro-woman."
"But what's she actually said that's right wing or transphobic"
"Flubber bluster she just is! Cos I know it".

The onus isn't on me to prove jack shit. Turn it on its head and the entire argument limps off. Just like the prove JKR is transphobic.

It's a smear to try and discredit women as being both left wing and gender critical because these media sources are somehow "evil" and not to be trusted

If your argument here is "because the guardian gets mentioned more elsewhere" I suggest you get your fucking head read.

I am centrist - which by American standards would put me somewhat to the left of the Democrats.

I also like to see changes in government; I think one party on power for too long is dangerous (including in councils). But I couldn’t vote for the labour if the are prepared to destroy something as fundamental as the category of sex.

What does it even mean to be a 'supporter' of a news channel?

Generally speaking, this is not how I use media sources. I am accessing/reading/listening/assessing them, not choosing one and cheerleading for it.

A lot of us also agree with the ‘Morning Star’ on issues of sex/gender. It would be quite some stretch to suggest that is a right wing media source.

This is what social media has reduced our political discourse to. We must all be "amplifying our message" and be avidly supporting and cheerleading for one tribe or other. You cannot be seen to associate with the enemy or else they'll come for you.

It means how very dare you read different sources other than approved ones.

It's the very definition of control and authoritarianism where 'wrongthink' isn't permitted.

I was literally taught to read a range of sources and to assess each and every story for its value.

I mean, is it of higher journalistic value to quote Owen Jones's column over a Times story on Hannah Barnes for example?

Mr Jones is in the Guardian after all. Therefore it's more left wing and has more value.

Jesus fucking Christ.

This is what it's become. Counting clicks to the 'right' newspaper as a measure of your political affiliation.

Or equally to say we are all Communists!

I’m going to go out on a limb and say all these pro women voices on mn have helped shift politics

Great

To those who spent time telling women it doesn’t matter, or that’s the wrong paper, or you are saying it the wrong way not so much

The title of this thread is Is anyone else GC and left wing in their politics? Why would that question need to be asked if FWR was left wing.

I'll tell you what I get tetchy about, when a discussion about the state of the left gets derailed by 'What about the Tories!'

Because, naming no names, people keep coming on threads, even this thread(!) and saying we're all right wing!!!